General Chat

Janey, mine did, too. The daughter, Caroline, who was my ancestor, married at 16, and gave her profession as miner... confused me for a while, that did... lol. But Dad, Grandpappy *Big sister wife* and youngest sibling, along with a collection of nieces and suchlike, had all removed themselves by 1861 Census.. mostly to Plymouth.

Quoy, that would explain a great deal, too, thank you.

Love

Daff xxxx

Interesting. I wonder whether this is a reason my Hills shifted themselves to Plymouth sometime around 1855-57? The mother and kids were there in 1861. It seems the father went to London by 1857, and the mother and some kids followed between 1861 and 1871.

I do have one very young child's death certificate from 1857, but the death was registered in Plymouth and there's no discernable cause of death on it. Two other children (that I know of) died after the 1851 census but I haven't got death certificates -- with Hill, it's hard to identify the right ones sometimes. When I'm feeling rich, I'll maybe have to check them out!

Hmm. I also wonder whether that might have been the reason for a batch baptism of four kids in 1857. Just in case. Two of them didn't survive to 1861.

Tuberculosis, though, was the real plague in that family of mine. Another hazard of mining communities I think.

thought you Callington people might be interested in this

1850 Callington births 111,deaths 67 ,many children are afflicted by Smallpox in the parish of Calstock ,11 have died within the last 5 weeks.

1853 Callington births 161 deaths 74 ,mining operations continue in increased activity ,and give much employment to men women and children.
Hence the population is augmented with the increase of births and deaths.

1857 Callington births138 deaths 98 the deaths are considerably above average . During the quarter I have registered 19 from Scarlatina,16 from pneumonia and bronchitis and 3 from typhus. The district is in an unhealthy state.In the town (Callington ) there is a large Cess or catchpool for all the refuse of the town,dammed back by the owner for manuring purposes.Vaccination in some of the parishes is pretty well attended but in others it is neglected by the vaccinator.

1858 Callington births137 deaths 85 Typhus is reigning in my sub district which , partially ,if not wholly accounts for the deaths

Well of course, then, Elaine and I are cousins!

Aha, I see Horrabrridge is about 10 miles from Callington.

Now I must go trace her ancestry ...

...When I lived in Horrabridge, Devon (1965- 67), I was best friends with an Elaine Hill.
Her dad, Fred was of old Cornish stock.....

My Cornish lot - including bal maidens - came from Kea and Probus for generations...

Well, she married him in 1847, and the kids were all born before that (but one, the one born in Callington after the marriage) -- so I think you're the one who's got it right!

Yes, I might have made the correction.... it is the Big Sister's name... it became the name of my gt gt gt Aunt as well and also the 4 x gt grandpappy... mistranscribed. I have his death certificate somewhere, and Sarah's. Heaven alone knows where.

Most folk have the Big Sister down as the mother of all the children... sometimes I even wonder if I am the one who is wrong, but I don't think so. My reasoning was pretty solid at the time!

Love

Daff xxxx

ps, wife no 1 died in 1847, not 45.... within 6 months, grieving widow was married to Big Sister... however, one of the girls (my line) loved her enough to name one of her own daughters after her so I am cool with that, lol... I think it is a descendant on that line who has a tree on here.

As No.2 remarked: with blackmailing skills like mine, it's hard to believe I'd ever be short of money.

I've sussed 'em out in 1841. Not you who's corrected their names at Ancestry? And somebody else has the grandpappy in their tree here at GR.

Sarah's deceased by 1851, and I see why you have her husband with two different places of birth. ;)

I wonder whether I can find anything about her for you ... Lemme have a poke around!

... Well, they just lived off the radar, didn't they! I see sister's marriage to the grieving widower, and in 1851, where she was born -- not Cornwall. Sarah might have been from that place, and they married there? Oh, but 1841 does say Sarah was born in Cornwall, although grandpappy her husband was born out of county.

Maybe she was a Hill. Their daughter was born in basically the same place as my grx2 grf. Snicker.

I am fairly certain that Sarah was born in Callington... some of her children were too, but not all. They were all fairly ordinary, I think... although she married a fella with a bit of a posh sounding monicker. He was a lathe plasterer journeyman by the time he died.

The thing is, I was researching a couple of lines, and that was when I was feeling rough... it is almost two years now, I have stopped getting seasick every time I look at census/BMD etc etc... and my concentration is better. But I can't find where I stashed the notebooks I was using... I have lost some certificates on another line, as well. Tsk tsk

Basically means I have to go through it from scratch to re-acquaint myself with my family tree. Which is what I am doing from the bits closest to me.

I do keep getting side tracked, though. She is four years old. ;¬))

Love

Daff xxxx

Hmm. You need to do some work on my tree, I see.

Mine moved to the Callington area sometime in the late 1840s. I know the mother's two families were very long established in St Cleer and St Stephens by Saltash (the Bond, James Bond line), and father Hill was born in Tamerton Foliatt, Devon. But I think his people actually came from the Callington area. Who knows? James Hill c1880s ... you should see my hot matches ...

Nope.... 3x gt grandmother died in childbirth in 1845 (in Newington).... big sister was by then married to grieving widower and all the family back in Cornwall living with elderly 4x gt grandpappy....... (1850 ish)

However, in 1841, big sister and a couple of her sisters and children were living in Callington with 4x gt randparents (mine, not theirs, they were much nearer in age, lol)

So, given the odds, I bet we have a DNA match somewhere along the line, lol....

My 4 x gt was called Sarah. She married an outsider, lol.... from Plymouth I think.

Well ......... it's looking that way. ;)

They're a peripatetic bunch, that batch of Hills. In 1841 they're in Liverpool.

In 1851 they have a servant. None of my ancestors had servants. Looks like a good crew to attach one's self to!

Janey - are you saying that you and Daff are related?

Sheesh!

LOL

Hill! It must have been. I think everyone born there was named Hill.

So she had moved away and your grx3 or grx2 wasn't in the area at the time?

Oh, no, for real -- I just looked in the 1851 for someone born in Callington 1781 +/- 5 years -- and sure enough, the only one in Wales is a Mary HILL !!

My 4 x gt grandmother was born in Callington, too, according to the last census before she died, which was before the 1852 quake, I think. She was born about 1780 give or take a few years. Haven't a clue yet what her maiden name was... will get to that one day.

Love

Daff xxxx

So are we cousins?? Was he a Hill? Or, like me, do you have a great times "x" grandmother who was a Hore? ;)

He might have got in on some others.


10 August 1783 Launceston
The effects were strongest between Launceston and Okehampton; at Kelly, the church bell was rung by the shock. The earthquake was felt over a wide part of western Devon and part of eastern Cornwall.
Sources: Musson (1989c).

My ancestor died in callington in1790, so guess the earth did not move for him lol
Carol

Rambling Rose posted this link in my "earthquake!!" thread (yes, the earth moved strongly here last week, and I lived to tell the tale).

http://www.earthquakes.bgs.ac.uk/earthquakes/historical/historical_listing.htm

It's really very interesting -- a timeline of earthquakes in England/Scotland/Wales from way back.

I found this one, among some other possibly relevant ones for my various families:


12 August 1852 Callington
This earthquake was felt over most of E Cornwall and also on Dartmoor. It was felt most strongly in the Liskeard - Calstock area, where plaster fell, people outside had trouble standing, tiles fell and springs stopped at individual places. It was felt surprisingly strongly in the east of the felt area. Reportedly stones fell from a tor on Dartmoor and a wall is said to have fallen at Widecombe. The shock was also felt strongly by miners.


My gr-grfather, the infamous Ernest Augustus Hill/Monck, was born in Callington in December of that year. So his mother was quite pregnant at the time (with 5 young children). And his father was an engine man in a local mine. I imagine they all felt it, and varying degrees of concern. I don't think I'd want to be down a mine in an earthquake!

Anybody's ancestors around for a big one?