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I have a Baptism in 1820 (St Mary's Burgate) which has been annotated

Nee Bean sp

Does this mean the mothers name might have been "Bean" at birth. I'm struggling a bit as it is possible his mother was married multiple times and widowed multiple times before it hits my line.

If anyone knows what this term means I'd be very grateful. Thank you

Nee certainly means 'born'

Without seeing the record, it would be foolish for us to try to work out what is meant in this instance

If you wish us to help further, post the name of the child being baptised...............also tell us which website has the record

Sometimes the sp refers to 'Sponsor' or god parent.

...or was the mother a spinster with birth surname of Bean.

Seeing the actual record often helps a lot, so more information would help please.

None of the 1820 baptisms at St Mary's, Burgate, Suffolk, have images to view, on Ancestry and FS.

Are there images on FMP?

Bean seems to have been a common name in that area.

The only 1820 baptism record on FMP in Burgate, surname Bean is for

James Bean baptised 14July 1820 @ St Mary's. Father - Edward, mother HArriet Bowdell.

It is a transcript only and reads as follows -

First name(s) James
Last name Bean
Sex Male
Baptism year 1820
Baptism date 14 Jul 1820
Residence Suffolk, England
Place -
County Suffolk
Country England
Father's first name(s) Edward
Father's last name Bean
Mother's first name(s) Harriet
Mother's last name Bowdell
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

And then there's this - pb. probably means Private Baptism (buried 25th - see later post)

First name(s) James
Father's occupation Labourer
Last name Bean
Mother's first name(s) Harriet
Baptism year 1821
Residence Burgate
Baptism date 21 May 1821
Notes pb / late BOWDELL <<<<<<<<<<
Description St Mary
Entry number 113
Place Burgate, St Mary
Record set Suffolk Baptism Index 1538-1911
County Suffolk
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Country England
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Relationship Son
Collections from Great Britain, England
Father's first name(s) Edward

© Suffolk Family History Society

Looks like both James' died - again, only transcriptions

National Burial Index For England & Wales
Burgate, Suffolk, England
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First name(s) James
Description St Mary
Last name Bean
Place Burgate
Birth year 1820
County Suffolk
Age Infant
Country England
Death year 1820
Record set National Burial Index For England & Wales
Burial year 1820
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Burial date 01 Aug 1820
Subcategory Parish Burials
Denomination Anglican
Collections from Great Britain, England
Suffolk Family History Society
Transcriptions © Suffolk Family History Society

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Burgate, Suffolk, England
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First name(s) James
Description St Mary
Last name Bean
Place Burgate
Birth year 1821
County Suffolk
Age Infant
Country England
Death year 1821
Record set National Burial Index For England & Wales
Burial year 1821
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Burial date 25 May 1821
Subcategory Parish Burials
Denomination Anglican
Collections from Great Britain, England
Suffolk Family History Society
Transcriptions © Suffolk Family History Society

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First name(s) James
County Suffolk
Last name Bean
Country England
Sex Male
Father's first name(s) Edward
Birth year 1821
Father's last name Bean
Event year 1821
Mother's first name(s) Harriet
Age at death Infant
Mother's last name Bean
Burial year 1821
Record set England Deaths & Burials 1538-1991
Burial date 25 May 1821
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Burial place Suffolk, England
Subcategory Parish Burials
Marital status Single
Collections from England, Great Britain
Index © IRI. Used by permission of FamilySearch Intl
Other records featuring that name
(3 records)

We need details from the OP

There are 22 baptisms in 1820 in Burgate (the transcriptions don't actually specify St Mary's) , on Ancestry - but no images.

This record??

First name(s) George
Father's occupation Labourer
Last name Dade
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Baptism year 1820
Residence Burgate
Baptism date 26 Nov 1820
Notes late BEAN
Description St Mary
Entry number 105
Place Burgate, St Mary
Record set Suffolk Baptism Index 1538-1911
County Suffolk
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Country England
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Relationship Son
Collections from Great Britain, England
Father's first name(s) Robert

“Late’ is not the same as ‘Nee’ if records are accurate

Late should, by rights, refer to a previous married name…………….

???
Suffolk Marriage Index

First name(s) Robert
Last name Dade
Marriage year 1816
Marriage date 05 Jul 1816
Marriage place Burgate
Spouse's first name(s) Mary
Spouse's last name Bean
County Suffolk
Country England
Record set Suffolk Marriage Index
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain
Suffolk Family History Society
Transcriptions © Suffolk Family History Society

https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Abbreviations_Found_in_Genealogy_Records

s.p. = sine probe (without offspring)

Could it mean that in her former name, there were no children

Yes, I agree.

However, re the previously married woman Judith thinks/hopes she might be, it would be helpful to know if similar annotations are on other Burgate baptisms.

If that's the only record with such an annotation, it would seem to imply that she had had no children under any surname, not just her maiden name.

But if all the 1820 Burgate baptisms have similar annotations, then it doesn't give any clue as to whether she'd been married before or not.

Many Thanks for the replies.

The Info I have is from FreeREG there are 3 transcripts of the same event all saying the same thing in respect of the following

Christening 26/11/1820 of George DADE in St Mary's Burgate
Father Robert Dade and I know his wife was Mary but as yet I have no firm surname for Mary...she might have been a widow .

Where it has been entered onto the Free Reg site on all three where it mentions any other details ot has the aforementioned
Notes/ Nee Bean sp.

at the moment thats as much as I have.

:-S :-S

The marriage record transcript on Ancestry says that Mary was single - but without seeing an image of it, we don't know if that's an accurate transcription:

Mary Bean
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538-1973
Name Mary Bean
Gender Female
Marital Status Single
Marriage Date 5 Jul 1816
Marriage Place Burgate, Suffolk, England
Spouse
Robert Dade
FHL Film Number 951462
Reference ID P 36

Thank you for the info Argyllgran. That is helpful when I researched this a while back I had been led to believe that Mary had quite another surname but it was a long long time ago and during that period when lost of parties where just hopping on any bus to make their Family tree meet their needs .

I feel this is the link I've been missing which is now genuine and fits with dates place and name.

You have all been so helpful.

THANK YOU for your time and advice
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