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I have sent Sandra a msg but i no reply as of yet.

Phyllis was born in the, what was then 'East End Mothers lay-in home' on commercial road.

It was a pre NHS hospital but the royal london hospital museum has the records for it and I'm just waiting till they open on tues at 10am to call them and ask them for details.

No-one in our family has the birth certificate to be able to find the listed address she would have gave at the time of the birth so hence calling the museum.

This is such a big missing jigsaw piece for our family.

Hollie,

You can click on Sandra's name and send her a message directly - she never got back and replied on here, though obviously she did read it.

You are probably better advised to start a new thread for your own family queries, detailing the information that you have. You could link to this post if you wanted to show what has been found by others.

(If Phyllis was born in 1903/1904 then Ellen could have been working in a different household in 1901 census. Have you tried to find her birth certificate in free bmd?)

Added:
Births Mar 1904
YORK Phyllis Gladys B Mile End 1c 486
Get this certificate for further information.

Is anyone still watching this thread??

My name is Hollie.

Ellen is my great great great grandmother.

I'm trying to find any information on her daughter Phyllis' father.

Phyllis is illegitimate. I have be told her father is a Jewish boy who's house Ellen worked in as a servant. Phyllis was born in 1903/1904 so Ellen must have worked in the Jewish household at the time of the 1901 census.

I found an Ellen York working at '88 Woodvale, Lewisham' in the fawcett household where there lived 3 sons. Fawcett doesn't seem a particularly Jewsish name tho.

the only inconsistency is that Ellen is listed as being born in Sheerness in the 1911 census when she was Ellen Welch but all the other details are about right.

Does anyone else know of anything? XxX

Ah...I see Sandra has responded in a roundabout way. I sent her a message on 18.7 with the usual advice on how to find and respond to a thread.

This is the sentence I use:

"It would be appreciated if you could put any response onto your thread rather than send the helper a private message (such as this) unless, of course, the information is of a sensitive nature. This helps all the helpers to know that you have seen the work done on your behalf."


Personally, I think this is self explanatory. Cx

Hahah

I think we have all recieved slightly different PM's??

I don't like this so shall not be assisting further....this is the PM i receieved.

Hello Tracey
Firstly, my apologies for not identifying the individuals I am researching. I am looking for info on Rose Emily York born 1883 Upton Park, Essex to John Henry York & Ester Sophia Carter. I can't find any evidence that she married or had children or when she died.

Their other child Violet Ethel York born 22 July 1885 Grays, Essex. England. Violet married Alfred Newing 29 June 1903 Fulham, Middlesex and they had 2 children Alfred 1904 & Violet Blanche May 11 Feb 1906 both born in England. They immig to Aust arriving Brisbane QLD 7 Apr 1910, on board "OTWAY". They then had 2 more children, I THINK, Elsie & George. Violet & Alf returned to England twice for holidays after this, 1955 & 1959. Thank you for taking the time to help. Regards, Sandie Outhwaite


Sandra, just a note....this has not been takenb too well by myaelf, so i shall not be assisting you futher !!!

You ned to post ALL of the info on here and not select whom you post which data too!!!


Tracey x

I also received a pm from Sandie.

Thank you very much for taking the time to assist me in my search. Sorry about not better identifying my family. I am looking for information on Ellen York.

I have that she was born 1878 Sheerness, Kent, England and married Bernard John Welch about 1906 in Orsett,m Essex. I think they had 2 or 3 children but am unable to find any.

I do not have access to the UK BMD even though it says its free. Would appreciate any help.


Marriages Sep 1906

WELCH Bernard John Orsett 4a 1031
YORK Ellen Elizabeth Orsett 4a 1031

There could also be 2 more children born after 1911 but you would need the certs to confirm.

Births Mar 1912 (>99%)
Welch Bernard T D W York Orsett 4a 1236


Births Dec 1915 (>99%)
Welch Kathleen E F K York W. Ham 4a 233

Free BMD is free, you have to click on the red search box lower down the page and not the search box at the top as that takes you to Ancestry.

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

Christine

Here is Bernard Welch with his wife Ellen Elizabeth Welch
on 1911 census

Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image

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WELCH, Bernard John Head Married M 33 1878 Ship's Painter Poplar London E VIEW
WELCH, Ellen Elizabeth Wife Married
5 years F 31 1880 Sheerness Essex VIEW
WELCH, Phyllis Gladys Daughter F 8 1903 Commercial Rd E VIEW
WELCH, Margaret Winifred Daughter F 2 1909 Tilbury SX VIEW
WELCH, James William Son M 3 1908 Tilbury SX VIEW

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

RG number:
RG14 Piece:
9964 Reference:
RG14PN9964 RG78PN524 RD192 SD1 ED13 SN74

Registration District:
Orsett Sub District:
Grays Enumeration District:
13 Parish:
Chadwell St Mary

Address:
23 Seymour Road Tilbury County:
Essex

I have just received the following PM from Sandie. In my reply to her by PM I have explained how to get back to her threads.

Firstly thank you for taking the time to help me, I apologise for not being more specific in last message but this is my first time in using the Message Board. I am looking for info on

Ellen York born 1878 Sheerness, Kent to John Henry York & Ester Sophia Carter. She married Bernard John Welch about 1906 Orsett, Essex. I am trying to find out if she had children or when she died.

She had two other sisters Eliza Sophia York born 1877 and Sarah born 1879 and died 1884. Eliza married Albert Edward Burgiss 1898 and they immig to Aust 1911 on "Waipara".

Their half sisters were Rose Emily York 1883 & Violet Ethel York 1885. I am trying to find if Rose married or had children and when she died. As far as I know I don't think Ellen or Rose came to Australia

I have spaced the message to assist in indentifying the searches that Sandie wishes to make.

Here is Violet returning to England in 1955


Name: Violet Newing
Birth Date: 22 Jul 1885
Age: 69
Port of Departure: Sydney, Australia
Arrival Date: 6 Mar 1955
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Sydney
[Melbourne] 
[Fremantle] 
[Colombo] 
[Port Said] 
Ship Name: Iberia
Search Ship Database: View the 'Iberia' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Peninsula and Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd
Official Number: 4637/01


Alfred is travelling with her. His date of birth is given as 1 March 1879

Sandra can you please verify the surname of Ellen and Rose as you have three surnames in your heading not sure were to go from here

Violet's baptism?

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Violet Blanche May Newing
Name: Violet Blanche May Newing
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 1 Jul 1906
Father's Name: Alfred Newing
Mother's Name: Violet Ethel Newing
Parish: St Jude, Peckham
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

Born Feb 11th 1906, living at 30 Meeting House Lane, father is a Coachman.


Tracey x

And here is husbands passage. They are travelling with 2 children Alfred born c1904 and Violet born c1906

Name: Alfred Newing
Age: 30
Birth Year: abt 1880
Place of Origin: Essex, England
Ship Name: Otway
Port of Departure: London, England
Port of Arrival: Brisbane
Arrival Date: 7 Apr 1910

Possible emigration for Violet to Brisbane. I cannot find her on 1911 England and Wales census


Name: Violet Newing
Age: 25
Birth Year: abt 1885
Place of Origin: Essex, England
Ship Name: Otway
Port of Departure: London, England
Port of Arrival: Brisbane
Arrival Date: 7 Apr 1910

Sandra,

There are plenty of us 'helpers' out here....we just need to know what you require help with?

What are the 'dots' you speak of, who are these people you refer to, how are they related to you??

You need to give us as much detail as you know and anything you have already done to find information out, do you have any census records?

Please come back and ask a question that makes sense....!!!

I'm assuming one of these people are your direct ancestor and the others mentioned are their siblings?

Can you please identify people and it'll help us go the right way for you.


Tracey x

There appear to be several people with Violet in their tree, and the others also.

To clarify the surname of the family.

Marriages Jun 1903 (>99%)

Newing Alfred Fulham 1a 506
York Violet Ethel Fulham 1a 506


To check if anyone else is researching the family you can enter the names in search trees at the top of the page.

Christine

Would love to hear from any rellies out there who can help join the dots in my family tree. Ellen was born 1878 Sheerness, Kent -Rose 1883 & Violet 22 Jul 1885. Vi married Alf Newing 1903 Fulham, England. Look forward any helpers. Thanks,
Sandie O