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Hi all.
I am trying to find what became of Winifred Ellen.
Her parents were Ellen Winifred Ramsey and Gomer David Williams.
The parents were married June 1920. Winifreds birth was 3rd Quarter 1921.
Acording to Passengers list to Philadelphia, Winifred travels to Philadelphia with a US Citizen. Her fathers place of residence at the time was RAF Harlescott, Shrewsbury.

I cant seem to find anymore on Winifred, like if she ever came back and where was her parents??
Regards Lisa

Name: Winifred E Williams
Mother's Maiden Surname: Ramsey
Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1921
Registration district: Atcham
Registration county: Gloucestershire, Shropshire, Herefordshire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 1102

Name: Gomer D Williams
Spouse Surname: Ramsey
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1920
Registration district: Atcham
Registration county (inferred): Shropshire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 2059
Find Spouse:Ellen W Ramsey

so seem to be British not American


Wonder what Gomer's occuption was?

Name: Gomer D Williams
Regiment or Corps: Royal Welsh Fusiliers
Regimental Number: 77399
he had the British Victory medal

Hi and thanks for your replies.

Marriage cert states that Gomers occupation was....

Aircrafts man 2 Royal Air Force.

His father was also Gomer Williams and was a Machinist,.

A gentle nudge. Am no nearer to finding anymore about Winifred despite having her birth cert and parents marriage cert.

Any ideas please;-)

Thanks Lisa

Another nudge..in the hope someone can help me on this again Please???

Thanks.

Lorraine on Record Office does USA lookups, she might be able to help you with Winifred

www.genesreunited.com.au/boards.page/board/records_office/thread/1239943

I am in Australia, the thread address might be uk or usa instead of au.

is she Winifred Elizabeth and not Winifred Ellen ?


Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1945
Name: Winnifred Elizabeth William
Arrival Date: 3 Sep 1922
Age: 1 Years 2 Months
Estimated birth year: abt 1921
Gender: Female
Ethnic Background: English
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Haverford
Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Friend's Name: Mrs. Jeanie Jones
Last Residence: England
Birthplace: Shrewsbury, England
Microfilm Roll Number: T840_145

On FMP 'Winnie Willliams' is travelling with Elizabeth Williams -

Same boat, same date, same contract ticket number -


Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960

Name: Winnie WILLIAMS
Date of departure: 21 August 1922
Port of departure: Liverpool
Destination port: Philadelphia
Destination country: USA

Date of Birth:
Age:
Marital Status:
Sex: Not specified
Occupation:
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 15 of 29

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The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -
Elizabeth WILLIAMS

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Ship: HAVERFORD
Official Number: 113489
Master's name: A Holme
Steamship Line: White Star Line
Where bound: Philadelphia, USA
Square feet: 7506
Registered tonnage: 11635
Passengers on voyage: 399


UK address - 114 Peckers Hill Road, St Helens Junction



Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960

Name: Elizabeth WILLIAMS
Date of departure: 21 August 1922
Port of departure: Liverpool
Destination port: Philadelphia
Destination country: USA

Date of Birth: 1901 (calculated from age)
Age: 21
Marital Status:
Sex: Female
Occupation: Soap Packer
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 15 of 29

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The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -

Winnie WILLIAMS

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Ship: HAVERFORD
Official Number: 113489
Master's name: A Holme
Steamship Line: White Star Line
Where bound: Philadelphia, USA
Square feet: 7506
Registered tonnage: 11635
Passengers on voyage: 399


UK address - 114 Peckers Hill Road, St Helens Junction


Last permanent residence of Elizabeth Williams - 'foreign countries'

1911 census for 114 Peckers Hill Road -


67 JONES, David Head Married M 66 1845 Tea Dealer Carnarvonshire Llangelynnin VIEW
67 JONES, Catherine Wife Married
45 years F 65 1846 Carnarvonshire Ggft VIEW
67 JONES, Elizabeth Ellen Daughter Single F 33 1878 Dressmaker Lancs St Helens VIEW
67 JONES, Thomas John Son Single M 29 1882 Collector Lancs St Helens VIEW
67 JONES, David Son Single M 26 1885 Haulage Hand Below Lancs St Helens VIEW
>>>>>67 WILLIAMS, Elizabeth Catherine Grandchild F 9 1902 United States Res VIEW
>>>>>67 WILLIAMS, Gomer David Grandchild M 11 1900 School United States Res VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22798 Reference:
RG14PN22798 RG78PN1333 RD456 SD5 ED44 SN67

Registration District:
Prescot Sub District:
St Helens Enumeration District:
44 Parish:
St Helens

Address:
114 Peckers Hill Road Sutton County:
Lancashire


looks like 'Elizabeth Williams' was Gomer's sister ?

Hi Choccy and Mel75.

Many thanks both for your replies.

Yes the childs name was Winifred Elizabeth...my mistake that i put Winifred Ellen in my opening post. Apologies for that.

Her Mum was Ellen Winifred.

It certainly looks the same family, i will look more in this, i wonder where Winifreds Mum and Dad went to, did the travel overseas later on??

Thank you again. x

looks like Ellen might have died - perhaps why sister Elizabeth took her to America


Deaths Mar 1922 (>99%)
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Williams Ellen W 21 Atcham 6a 1012

Hi Choccy.

Thank you for finding what you have for me, most appreciated;-)

I shall order for the death cert for Ellen soon as the registrar offices are open again. What a shame if she did die so young and the daughter being young also.

I shall let you know the outcome.
Thank you again.

Is this Dad?

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Gomer David Williams Name: Gomer David Williams
Arrival Date: 13 Aug 1923
Birth Year: 1899
Birth Location: Pennsylvania
Birth Location Other: Philadelphia
Age: 24
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Baltic

VL 496/205 hand written beside his name

wd as marital status

1926 North Street Philadelphia pa

There is something else hand written but I cannot make it out.

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Gomer David Williams Name: Gomer David Williams
County: Luzerne
State: Pennsylvania
Birth Date: 21 Feb 1900
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1893752
DraftBoard: 8

Hi LadyKira.

Looks very possible. I wonder what the numbers VL 496/205 could mean?.

Thank you.

He was a RAF Serviceman so the registration details also looks like it could be him.

There are lots of records for David Gomer Williams c1899 on Ancestry passenger lists. You say he was in the airforce but that ws presumably wartime occupation. Passenger records indicate he was possibly a steward on a ship. There is also an older David Gomer Williams in America who was Welsh born.

May I suggest you take up the Ancestry 14 day trial to access these?

Possible but you said his father should also be Gomer

1900 United States Federal Census
about Gomer Williams Name: Gomer Williams
Home in 1900: Hanover, Luzerne, Pennsylvania
Age: 3/12
Birth Date: Feb 1900
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relationship to Head of House: Son
Father's name: J* Williams
Father's Birthplace: Wales
Mother's name: Rachael Williams
Mother's Birthplace: Wales
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
J* Williams 36
Rachael Williams 36
Matilda Williams 16
Elizabeth Williams 9
Thos Williams 8
Maggie Williams 7
Rhoda Williams 5
Katie Williams 3
Gomer Williams 3/12

worth a look

1920 United States Federal Census
about Gomer Williams Name: Gomer Williams
[Gomer William]
Home in 1920: Jenner, Somerset, Pennsylvania
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1902
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father's name: Gomer Williams
Father's Birth Place: Pennsylvania
Mother's name: Janett Williams
Mother's Birth Place: Pennsylvania
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Sex: Male
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Gomer Williams 46
Janett Williams 38
Dewey Williams 21
William Williams 20
Gomer Williams 18
Margaret Williams 16
Walter Williams 5