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I agree you could be right but that still leaves Mary and Ellen, I can look at the 1881 census, and they are not there .and OH only knows of Amy/Ann, and Fanny I think she was the last of the children
Sheila
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I want to thank everyone that has helped me with this. It is 11pm in OZ so I must away to bed
Thak you again
Sheila
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probably those 2 Wirral birth - both in Woodchurch rather than West Kirkby (different place from Kirkby Lancs)
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1840 to 1845
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
RAINFORD Mary Woodchurch Wirral WOO/3/26
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1846 to 1850
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
RAINFORD Mary Woodchurch Wirral WOO/3/81
taken from cheshirebmd.org.uk
do not know the Wirral area - maybe Woodchurch sub-district for West Kirkby
EDIT - just loked back at 1871 census which show West Kirkby - sub district Woodchurch
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Michele has posted 1851/61 for Mary. Joseph & Ann's ages are transcribed correctly from image in 1851, but clearly are rubbish - presume the enumerator made an error upon entering them.
Also relevant is the next-door 1861 h/h
1841 England Census
Civil parish: West Kirby
Hundred: Wirrall (Lower Division)
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address: West Kirby
Registration district: Wirral
Sub-registration district: Woodchurch
Joseph Rainford 25 Cheshire, England Ag Lab
Ann Rainford 30 Cheshire, England
William Rainford 7 Cheshire, England
Thomas Rainford 5 Cheshire, England
George Rainford 3 Cheshire, England
Sarah Rainford 1 Cheshire, England
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 127; Book: 16; Civil Parish: West Kirby; County: Cheshire; Enumeration District: 9B; Folio: 5; Page: 15; Line: 10; GSU roll: 241254.
[Adult =15+ ages rounded down to a mult of 5 in 1841]
In 1851, they've 3 sons working nearby in Grange:
Civil parish: Grange
Sub-registration district: Woodchurch
Thos Rainford 16 West Kirby, Cheshire, England Servant U House Labourer
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2174; Folio: 137; Page: 25; GSU roll: 87165-87167.
William Rainford 17 West Kirby, Cheshire, England Servant U House Servant
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2174; Folio: 138; Page: 26; GSU roll: 87165-87167.
George Rainford 12 West Kirby, Cheshire, England Servant U Farmers Servant
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2174; Folio: 138; Page: 27; GSU roll: 87165-87167.
1861 England Census
Civil parish: West Kirby
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address: West Kirby
Registration district: Wirral
Sub-registration district: Woodchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 17
William Rainford 28 Heswell, Cheshire, England Head M Agricultural Labourer
Alice Rainford 26 Hoydlake, Cheshire, England Wife M
William Rainford 1Mo West Kirby, Cheshire, England Son
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2638; Folio: 51; Page: 4; GSU roll: 543003.
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Back to the Hopkins...
Possibly the family in 1891, although no Thomas with them. Mary is not listed as a widow at this point.
1891 England Census
about Mary Hopkins
Name: Mary Hopkins
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: West Kirby, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Toxteth Park
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Hopkins 45
Ann Hopkins 19 ...assistant at vinegar works,.....born Liverpool
Sarah Hopkins 17 ....born Tranmere
William Hopkins 12...born Liverpool
Louia Hopkins 8 ....born Liverpool
Susie Hopkins 4 ...born Liverpool
If this is the correct family, then this may be them in 1901
1901 England Census
about Mary Hopkins
Name: Mary Hopkins
Age: 57
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: West Kirby, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Address - 109a Park Street (cellar)
Registration district: Toxteth Park
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Hopkins 57 ...widow
William Hopkins 21
Fanny Hopkins 14 (may be the Susie from the 1891)
Think this may tie in with the information given previously that Sheila's OH remembers a Fanny as the youngest child.
Here they are in 1911 - still in Park Street, Toxteth
HOPKINS, Mary Head Married Widow F 66 1845 School Caretaker Cheshire West Kirby
HOPKINS, Fanny Daughter Single F 24 1887 Assisting School Caretaker Lancashire Liverpool
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Registration District:
Toxteth Park Sub District:
Toxteth Park South West Enumeration District:
4 Parish:
Toxteth Park
Address:
105 Park St Liverpool County:
Lancashire
Mary states on the original that there were 10 children born alive and 6 still living in 1911.
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Good Morning to you all from North Queensland. I would like to thank all that helped. NinjaLady thanks I will take a hard copy and go away with a "cuppa" and read it all. It seems that you have found her from cradle to the grave. Mary is OH Greatgrandmother was will be very pleased.
Thank you all once again
Regards
Sheila
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