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Hit a brick a wall and just finding it so difficult to surface the data.

William Waller Bn: 8/3/1829 Mirfield, Yorkshire.
Married 1857 Victoria - Euphemia Henderson bn: 14/3/1833 Larbert, Stirlingshire, Scotland.
Her parents are Robert Henderson & Euphemia Buchanan bn 1805?
His parents I believe are Richard Waller and Nancy Pachard.

Now William and Euphemia has two children:
1. Annie Henderson Waller Bn 26/12/1859 Moonee Ponds Vic.
Died 3/4/1948 Flemington, Vic. Married Charles Octavus Smith 17/4/1886.
They had 10 children. I have lots on her children.

2. Robert Buchanan Waller Bn 1863 Melbourne,Vic and died 1937 Flemington, Vic. He married Amy Dunkerley in 1889 Victoria and had two children John Dunkerley Waller bn 1892, and Hannah Barlow Waller.
Nothing else on Roberts children - so need help here.

So here are the challengers for anyone who can help:

a. Euphemia Henderson died 1869 - Growlers Creek, Vic.
Cannot find any information, certificate information etc. Did find an Inquest but it was mixed with the death of an infant - not sure if it was hers. However she was found at home dead by the husband but then he goes missing. Again - can't find where he went. (Love to know where he disappeared too). Have been searching the prison records in case he was involved in the infants disposal - but the ortopsy does not show Euphemia had a baby. So maybe the inquest records are mixed which I believe sometimes happens with their numbering.

b. The children - Robert and Annie
Would love to establish the full descendancy and maybe those living today have more information.

c. To establish the Waller family at Mirfield would be a big step forward.

Thank you to anyone who can help in just a little way

Kev

I don't kno how you got his exact birth date and place, but this could possibly be him on the 1841 Census

1841 Census

Name: William Waller
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Mirfield
Hundred: Agbrigg (Lower Division)
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Dewsbury
Sub-registration district: Mirfield

Robert Walker 45 b.ca 1796, Yorkshire, Ag Lab
Nancy Walker 45 b.ca 1796, Yorkshire
John Walker 14 b.ca 1827, Yorkshire
Samuel Waller 14 b. ca 1827, Yorkshire
William Waller 12
Thos Walker 9 b.ca 1832, Yorkshire

Address:- Bank Mill


Note:- Walker is correct on the image for Robert, Nancy, John and Thomas.

AND Waller is correct on the image for Samuel and William


From the way that Thomas Walker is named after Samuel and William, I postulate that it might be a second marriage for Robert and Nancy

John Walker could be the son of Robert's first marriage

William and Samuel the children of Nancy's first marriage, implying that she was Nancy Waller before her marriage to Robert.

and Thomas would then be the child of Thomas and Nancy



sylvia

possible baptisms from beta.familysearch

www.familysearch.org/#form=advanced-records


record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

name: Samuel Waller
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 19 Nov 1826
baptism/christening place: MIRFIELD,YORK,ENGLAND
father's name: Richard Waller
mother's name: Ann
indexing project (batch) number: C01005-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 990757


residence: York, England
parents: Richard Waller, Nancy


name: William Waller
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 08 Mar 1829
baptism/christening place: MIRFIELD,YORK,ENGLAND
father's name: Richard Waller
mother's name: Nancy
indexing project (batch) number: C01005-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 990757



plus the following/??

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

name: Thomas Waller
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 25 Feb 1816
baptism/christening place: MIRFIELD,YORK,ENGLAND
father's name: Richard Waller
mother's name: Nancy
indexing project (batch) number: C01005-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 990757


name: Ann Waller
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 18 May 1823
baptism/christening place: MIRFIELD,YORK,ENGLAND
father's name: Richard Waller
mother's name: Ann
indexing project (batch) number: C01005-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 990757




and here is Robert and Nancy's marriage, from the same site


record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973

groom's name: Robert Walker
bride's name: Nancy Waller
marriage date: 24 Dec 1837
marriage place: Mirfield, York, England
groom's father's name: Benjamin Walker
bride's father's name: Edward Denham
groom's marital status: Widowed
bride's marital status: Widowed
indexing project (batch) number: M01382-8
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1542070





sylvia

I presume you know this site www.trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper


I found this on there

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848-1954) Tuesday 23 June 1857 p 4
Family Notices

On the 19th inst., at St. Kilda, William Waller, formerly of Yorkshire, England, to Euphemia Hen- derson, from Stirlingshire, Scotland.



sylvia

This looks like Euphemia in 1841, with her mother


1841 Scotland Census

Euphemia Henderson
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Gender: Female
Where born: Stirlingshire, Scotland

Civil Parish: Larbert
County: Stirlingshire
Address: West Carron
Parish Number: 485

Euphemia Henderson 30 b.ca 1811, Stirlingshire
Margt Henderson 10 b.ca 1831, Stirlingshire
Euphemia Henderson 8
James Henderson 5 b.ca 1836, Stirlingshire
Janet Henderson 2 b.ca 1839, Stirlingshire





This looks like her birth from the familysearch site


record title: Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

name: Euphemia Henderson
gender: Female
birth date: 14 Mar 1833
birthplace: LARBERT, STIRLING, SCOTLAND
father's name: Robert Henderson
mother's name: Euphemia Buchanan
indexing project (batch) number: C11485-4
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 1041953




sylvia

Found on the Vic BDM

Surname: Waller
Name: Euphemia
Event: Death
Surname: Henderson
Age: 37 yrs
Birthplace: Stirling
Yr: 1869
Reg No: 7928

Surname: Waller
Name: Amy Dunkerley
Event: Death
Fathers Surname: Dunkerley
Fathers Name: Jno
Mothers Name: Hannah Barlow
Deathplace: Hawthorn
Age: 69
Yr: 1932
Reg No: 5789

still looking for details on John & Hannah

Further to Inquest

Euphemia, died of Apoplexy - rupture of blood vessels or arteries in the brain, which could cause strokes.

Apoplexy is a term used to describe bleeding within internal organs.

Hi Sylvia

Sorry for the delay but sleep takes over - it is 2.30am in Oz right now.
And I do usually work during the night.

Boy you have given me lots to work with and the families of both William Waller and his wife Euphemia Henderson. I will certainly look at trying to establish how many marriages Nancy had.

William's brother Samuel will be interesting to see if he married and had a family and where they ended up.
Wonder if they came to Australia. William's side of the family all basically ended up in Victoria, but I do know of other branches in Queensland, New South Wales and Western Australia, plus in New Zealand but not sure if connected.

Euphemia's death has always been the mystery.
And afterward the disappearance of William.

So I will also be seeing if I can find anyone connected who are living today.
Thank you again for your wonderful help.

Kev

Hi Mel75

I certainly didn't have the details on those certificates.
Each little piece helps to lift the curtain.

Euphemia's death.
I actually went to the records office and viewed the papers on the Inquest..
what was a mystery here was there were two parts:
one on her death and one on a male infant, newly born and found in a drain at Kyneton many many miles away.

Now although packaged together after reading both autopsies - I could not fully see the connection.

Euphemia was found dead by her bed - with lots of bleeding.
Her young daughter was playing outside.
Again another strange thing was even the woman that she worked for although coming to the house never went inside to see how she was.
Then her husband after arriving home found her dead.

There was never anything written of foul play, but from that day forward William just disappeared, and we have no idea where he went. That is something I would love to find..

The baby boy - newly born was found in a drain near a river at Kyneton.
Although the police had stories of a young single woman as being the mother - it was found she was not and had not given birth to any baby in the past 6 months+

Why these two inquests are packaged together - I am not sure.
Maybe they suspected the mother is Euphemia but I could not see anything say she had just given birth, except there was a lot of blood on the bed and surrounds. So yes - another mystery.

Something I would love to prove one way or the other- just to give closure to her death.

I have two ways of looking at this - the baby was not hers and it is just packaged that way by the Public Records Office - don't ask me why.

Or the baby was hers, it did die from strangulation (marks that was not from the cord around its neck) and the father say panicked thinking she had killed the baby, so he took it far away and disposed of it not believing it would be found so quickly.
Thus why he disappeared so quickly afterward..

So as you can see - I don't seem to be able to close this mystery and would love to just for the sake of the mother.

Will keep at it - there has to be an answer somehwere and closure.

Thank you for your help

Kev

Quite a story!

Here's a snippet from the NLA site again:

The Argus, Friday 22 April 1932, p.1
WALLER.-On the 21st April, 1932, at her residence, No. 11 Lingwell road, Auburn, Amy, the deary beloved wife of Robert Waller. -A patient sufferer at rest.

Interred at Fawkner 22/4/1932. Robert was interred 22/4/1937 (exact same day, 5 yrs later!)

Fawkner Memorial Park wishes to advise that the location of the buried remains of the late Amy Waller aged 69 are located at Methodist Compartment D Grave 1211.

Fawkner Memorial Park wishes to advise that the location of the buried remains of the late Robert Waller aged 74 are located at Methodist Compartment D Grave 1211.

Lots of other Wallers there. See http://www.fcmp.com.au/index.asp?page=deceasedstandard.asp

Euphemia was buried at St Kilda Cemetery (1869) as was Ann (1866).

Hi Cherilyn

Thank you for your help.

The details on Robert and Amy will help me get closer to those living today.

I have checked the cemetery records and Euphemia is most interesting..

Now there is a story in the family that she died at home here in Melbourne, but the inquest states she died at Growlers Creek which is on the northern boarder with New South Wales. The inquest date is correct with her death and buriel. So she must have been moved back to Melbourne for buriel.

I wonder where her mother died - since her name was also Euphemia.

You mentioned Ann Waller at St.Kilda Cemetery - not sure where she fits in at this stage. There are lots of Waller's in Australia and New Zealand, but at this stage I haven't made any connection.

Thanks again

Cheers Kev

Kevin,


The inquest is recorded on the Victorian Digger Inquest CD, it states the place of death was Growlers Creek Road, it is now known as Wandiligong.
(searched on google)

The body would not have been brought back to Victoria and then an Inquest held.

Hi Mel75

Actualy the Inquest was held there going on the Papers.

Growlers Creek Road - well it is the main road through Growlers Creek which is about 5km south of Bright in Victoria. And yes was known as Wandilgong.

But the papers do show the inquest was held at Growlers Creek.

I too do not understand that.

I would have thought the Inquest would have been at least at a main town and they would have had the Doctors report and Police report as main evidence toward all aspects at the place in question..

I have read all witness statements, the husands statement, etc.
Too me lots that seem to make you ask more and more - yet the inquest statement was not that digging.

Example - lots of blood everywhere, yet nothing saying really why - especially when the inquest has a note given to it by a mystery person and that stops the inquest for days.

Then the next inquest about the baby is added, but I can't see how they tie them together.

I'm an Engineer and we question lots when we investigate things, and I am not comfortable here with the outcome. I am left with too many questions now, and I keep going back to read copies I have and see if there is something I have missed.

I thought Inquest outcomes would be a little more black and white.

Not in this case.

Thanks Kev

Kevin


rupture of the blood vessels in the brain could have led to bleeding from the nostrils, ears and mouth



so there could have been lots of blood around.



Also, how far did Growlers Creek Road extend???



Over here, such a road could extend for 100 or more miles, not just close to the "town".



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Bear in mind an inquest is not the same as an autopsy - no body is required and they can be held some time after a death. Simply a court proceeding to determine the cause of death when cirucmstances are unclear or suspicious.

Ann WALLER died 1866 aged 44, born London, daughter of George ROBERTSON. May be no connection.

By the by, the children of Robert & Amy were not born in Victoria.

Wonder if they were in fact adopted??

No marriages or deaths found for them in Victoria either...bit of a mystery!

Hi Sylvia

Growlers Creek Road is not than long.

It goes through the middle of a small town 5 km south of Bright - once called Wandiligong. This town is in the mountain range that extends across Victoria and up the east side of Australia, and is at or just lower than the lowest point of the snow line in worst cases of weather.

We don't have very high mountain ranges in Australia, but from Bright, one can travel about 1 hour by road to Hotham our most popular snow villiage.

When I am next up that way (350km from Melbourne) - I would like to get a better understanding of the area and just where the housing etc would have been. But it was one of the early gold towns - didn't last too long.

Thanks

Kev

Hi Cherilyn

I am aware of the bleeding but what got me was the statements seem to indicated blood everywhere. Again a small amount of fluid/blood can spread a long way and it can make things look really worse than they are. Also people not used to seeing blood can exaggerate in their words.

Since the Inquest was put on hold and it was held nearly immediately after death - I would have thought the body if held, would have gone to a big town like Albury/Wodonga 70km away not say moved to Melbourne 350km away - unless they wanted the body for more examination held at the main Melbourne Coroners facilities for the state. However nothing indicating any of that.

I do have an Ann Waller born a1823, christened at Mirfield, Yorkshire on the 18/5/1823 but her parents should be Richard and Nancy (Ann?).
Timing is right.

Most interesting about the two children of Robert and Amy.
But I was told that the son John Dunkerley Waller was born in 1892 at Eltham, Victoria. But like you - I can't see that in the records.
Hannah Barlow Waller - I have nothing.

Unfortunately the records may not be correct, complete, etc.
The first pass at computerising these did miss many. I too have others in the family where again born at Beechworth - up near Growlers Creek, and these records don't how. So I wonder who is right.
Unfortunately our Victorian State Records for BDM's was handed over to a private company some 15-20 years back - and ever since you see very little unless you flash money first - a computer search may find a hit but you cannot see that without paying, and then it may be wrong. So I don't believe in this and neither does many doing genealogy.

Thanks again

Kev