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I have been struggling to find info on my grandad Walter James Turner born 14th Nov 1898, London area? i think.
Have his marriage certificate 1920 which states his father Robert is deceased and was a Waterside Labourer.
Walter was living at 8, Little Randolph Street, NW London when he married.
I have rung the St Pancras archives, and they told me the family who were living with him, were Charles, Robert and Ada Turvey,
which matches with what i was told that Walters mother remarried someone Tuvey.
also John Tuvey is one of the witnesses on his marriage certificate.
so obviously the Tuvey are his step family and half brothers/sisters.
but i still cannot find anything on Walter or any members of his or Tuvey family.,
have put this on a different thread as it is different info and to save names from being too confusing.
I have a different thread for just Walter and his father running from a few days ago, which has info on that other people have been kind enough to find for me, if you would like to cross reference that info.
any ideas as to what to do next, would be appreciated, as this man meant a lot to me, and i am frustrated that i cannot seem to get anywhere.
many thanks

Had a look on Ancestry, nothing as yet.

partydancer, do you know if Ada is his mother?

Ozi.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1088577

Having started this thread perhaps you should have continued to use it then everybody would know that lots of help had already been given concerning Walter James.

You could have added your new information to the old thread.

Thanks, Pam

Thank you for your replys,
i know people have been kind enough to give me lots of help,
this is different information i have found today, and it only gets confusing when i add different info to the original thread, and people start looking for the wrong people as they have done, following other peoples info. and it all gets very confusing.
have tried to find him on census, but nothing really fits,
i dont know if Ada could be his mother sorry

Hi. Possible birth for Walter.
Registration in Pancras. 1899 Jan/March Qtr. vol 1b 6
With his given date of birth this is possible, as they had severl weeks to register births.
What was his Mothers name. Ethel.

Hi
Ethel,
thank you very much, this is the closest possible, as i believe he was born in the kentish town area, which comes under the borough of St Pancras, and the dates would add up.
The problem is i have know idea of his mothers name only his father Robert.

Is it possible Robert Turner died in WW1? You could look for a death. Purely by accident I found a death for my grandmothers brother.
It mentioned his mothers name and she had remarried but used the sons surname as her middle name.

Hi
thanks for your reply
possible he died in the 1st world war, hadnt thought of that, not sure how or where i look for that,
would Walters marriage certificate, have shown if his father was in the army etc, instead of a Waterside Labourer?
thanks

Cant do it myself not puter literate. Can someone cut and paste the info from the other thread onto this one so there is a continuation

The information on the marriage cert is only what people relate. Perhaps waterside labourer was considered his proper job .

Try googling Commonwealth War Graves

Hi
thanks for all your replys so far,
i dont know how to paste the other thread to this,
also somebody started looking for James Turner as Walters Dad instead of Robert, so it all started getting confusing,
the other thread is called Remarried details please,
if you would like to look at that.
many thanks

The member giving you James Turner as father might have done so because it wasnt unusual for people to use both names. He might be called Robert James but used James.

Especially if a son is also called Robert James. It stops the confusion

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29th September 2008 14:05
Hi,
i am trying to find my grandads, mothers remarriage details,
My grandad was Walter James Turner his father was Robert who died somewhere between 1898 (as that was when my grandad was born) and 1920,
i know his wife remarried someone TURVEY, and either he or there son was possibly called John,
all of this would be in the St Pancras area of London.
I know its a longshot,
but any help would be really appreciated as i am completely stuck.
many thanks
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Margaret

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29th September 2008 14:09

What is the first name of Roberts wife who married a Turvey?

Have you found Waler James Turner on the 1901 census?
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29th September 2008 14:09
The only Turner/Turvey Marriages coming up is>>>

Marriages Mar 1912

Turvey William
Mabel Turner
Wycombe 3a 1116a

Marriages Dec 1916

Turvey George
Alice Turner Luton 3b 822

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partydancer

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29th September 2008 14:11
Sorry
i have no idea what her first name was, as i am struggling to find anything that fits, with details i have.
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29th September 2008 14:17
Maybe?

Deaths Dec 1907

TURNER Robert Abraham Aged 69 Pancras 1b 2

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29th September 2008 14:28
Roberts son Walter was born around 1898,
so if this is his father, he would of been in his 60s when he had Walter!
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29th September 2008 14:30
your grandads birth cert will give her name making it easier ti tie up another marriage
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partydancer

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29th September 2008 14:46
Hi,
but i cannot seem to find his birth either, have run a thread on this last Friday, but none of them are quite right, so i am going round in circles.
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Peter

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29th September 2008 15:34
I found a possible marriage for Mrs B's Robert Abraham.

Marriages Sep 1862

Edgar Mary Pancras 1b 67
Elliott Ann Frances Pancras 1b 67
Turner Robert Abraham Pancras 1B 67

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Pam

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29th September 2008 15:46
Could this be the family ?

1901 England Census
about Walter J Turner
Name: Walter J Turner
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Camberwell, London, England

Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:
Registration district: West Ham
Sub registration district: Plaistow
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 196
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Turner 12
Eleanor Turner 16
Elizabeth Turner 53
Robert Turner 52
Walter J Turner 7




Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1572; Folio: 93; Page: 37.




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Peter

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29th September 2008 15:48
How did you get Walter James Turner being born around 1898?

Do you know when he died?

Peter
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29th September 2008 17:09
Hi,
I know he died in Bracknell in 1979, and he was in his early eighties,and his marriage certificate states he was married in jan 1920 age 21, so he would have been 21 in Nov 1919.
many thanks
Bev
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Peter

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29th September 2008 19:14
I found the entry for his death

Dec 1979~Bracknell~19~0068

and it gives his birth as

14th November 1898

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29th September 2008 19:53
Hi Peter,
thanks thats a great help,
dont think if i send of for his death certificate, it will tell me exactly where he was born, cannot seem to find his birth anywhere, some close matches but not the right ones,
many thanks
Bev
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Nicola

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29th September 2008 20:37
Hi bev...

the reference for his death is volume 19 page0068.
are you sure he was 21 and not 27 when he got married as i had a problem with on of mine where the 1 looked like a 7! still looking for you though..

nicola x
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You might just have to accept you cannot go any further at present with this. My grandmother is a nursechild in 1891.Lodger with the same family in 1901.
I have her birth cert stating parents names . Her marriage cert giving her fathers name but no marriage for her parents or them on the census. No deaths either.
Her father was a photographer which I thought might help me but nothing shows up

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Gwyn in Kent

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29th September 2008 21:01
A death certificate after 1969 should tell you the place of birth....if the informant knew, of course.

Gwyn
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29th September 2008 21:26


So Walter James Turner married in St Pancras?. However he need not have been born there.
What was his fathers Roberts occupation from Walters marriage cert please so we can narrow it down?

My mother told me my grandmother was born in a place but I couldnt find her on the census in that place, or her birth. Her father had died before she married but her marriage cert gave his name and occupation. Found them in 1891
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Peter

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30th September 2008 09:50
Morning Bev

Found this on 1901 census

Name: Alice C Turner
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Canada

Civil Parish: Lewisham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 14 Jerrard Street, Lewisham

Occupation: Washer and Mangler

Condition as to marriage: WIDOW

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Lewisham
Sub registration district: Lewisham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 78

Household Members: Name Age

Edward A Hogg 19
Alice C Turner 29
Alice S Turner 9
Henry C A Turner 4
Walter J Turner 9 months (b. Lewisham)
William S Turner 7


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 548; Folio: 35; Page: 10.



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30th September 2008 13:30
Marriage from above posting from Peter??


Marriages Jun 1891

Collins James Greenwich 1d 1184
>>Staples Alice Catherine Greenwich 1d 1184
>>Turner James Greenwich 1d 1184
Wade Annie Greenwich 1d 1184

The district Greenwich spans the boundaries of the counties of Greater London, Kent and London
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30th September 2008 16:01
Hi thanks to everyone who answered this thread while i was offline last night,
will try to answer all queries,
Margaret,
Robert was a Waterside Labourer on Walters marriage certificate.
thanks

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30th September 2008 16:07
Hi Nicola,
thanks for your reply the certificate definately says 21, which ties in with his death details.
thanks
Bev
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30th September 2008 16:42
Hi Peter,
i do wonder if this is them right age right area, if i can find Robert married to Alice on the 1891 census would be a good possible, or if someone can look up, the address 14 jerrard street lewisham 1899 1900 and see if they were a couple.
many thanks to everybody who has answered this thread.
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Pam

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Yesterday at 20:50
Would think it depends when in the June Quarter they married as to whether they will be on the census together. Census taken on night of 5th April 1891.
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This might be the Henry C A mentioned on the 1901 census....only one I could find from the entry


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Births Sep 1896 (>99%)
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Turner Henry Charles A Lewisham 1d 1170




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Pam

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Alice C turner is a Widow on the 1901 census.

There is a death for James Turner 1898 Lewisham.


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Deaths Sep 1898 (>99%)
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Turner James 54 Lewisham 1d 748





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Pam

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This might be Alic in 1891

1891 England Census
about Alice C Staples
Name: Alice C Staples
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Silvertown, Essex, England

Civil Parish: St Paul Deptford
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Deptford St Paul
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub registration district: St Paul Deptford
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Emily Godber 14
Nellie L F Marshall 19
Rose Marshall 48
Arthur Read 40
Florence L Salmon 23
Mary A R Salmon 51
Alice C Staples 21


Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 500; Folio 26; Page 45; GSU roll: 6095610.


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Pam

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England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Alice Catherine Staples
Name: Alice Catherine Staples
Year of Registration: 1869
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Greenwich
County: Greater London, Kent, London
Volume: 1d
Page: 731
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Hi
thanks for all of your replys but Alice would have to be married to a Robert, as this is the name of his father on his marriage certificate.
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Pam

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Today at 16:09
Did Alice remarry ? If she was married to James and he died in the same year that Walter was born...he (Walter) might not know his father's name.
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His fathers name is on his marriage certificate as Robert she did remarry later to someone called Tovey,
John Tovey is one of the witnesses on his marriage certificate, in 1920.
also rung the st pancras library with the address he gave on his marriage certificate, and he is living with Charles, Robert and Ada Tuvey, (not sure if Ada could be his mother) these are obviously his step family, and half brother/sisters.

thanks
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So....after all that....is the name Turvey, Tovey or Tuvey ?

I have searched marriage records from 1898 to 1920 for a marriage for a Robert Turvey in London but not found one.

It is possible that Walter's father died when he was quite young and his mother lived with/married Robert Turvey...Walter would possibly have considered Robert Turvey his father.