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Hi
I have hit the proverbial "brickwall" !
My Grt Grandmother Emma Turner married Charles Chalmers on Jan 12th 1886 in Portsmouth. According to the cert she was a spinster and her father's name was George and his occupation was a tailor. On my Grandmother's birth cert, Emma Turner came from London so I trawled thru the 1851 census trying to find an Emma whose father was George.. no luck ! I cannot find any record of her until 1891 when she turns up with her husband Charles Chalmers and her daughter Lily (my Grandmother) plus her other daughter Florence (where did she come from !!).
Did Emma lie on her marriage cert, was she previously married, where is she from 1851 to 1881 ??
If there is anyone out there who can solve the mystery of "my Emma" I would be really grateful as this is a branch of the tree which as me stumped.
Viv
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Have you the birth cert for Lily as this will give her mothers maiden name?
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1881 census - and Emma Turner with father George
George TURNER Head M Male 47 Hyde, Cheshire, England Cotton Spinner
Harriet TURNER Wife M Female 39 Hyde, Cheshire, England Housekeeper
Emma I. TURNER Dau U Female 22 Hyde, Cheshire, England Calico Weaver
Amos TURNER Son U Male 16 Hyde, Cheshire, England Cotton Scavenger
Eliza Ann TURNER Dau U Female 15 Hyde, Cheshire, England Cotton Winder
Frank TURNER Son U Male 13 Hyde, Cheshire, England Cotton Weaver
Sarah TURNER Dau U Female 10 Hyde, Cheshire, England Cotton Weaver
Alice TURNER Dau U Female 8 Hyde, Cheshire, England Scholar
George TURNER Son Male 3 Hyde, Cheshire, England
Ellen TURNER Dau Female 1 Hyde, Cheshire, England
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Source Information:
Dwelling 20 Norbury St
Census Place Hyde, Cheshire, England
Family History Library Film 1341830
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3468 / 42
Page Number 22
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and another
George TURNER Head M Male 42 Cheddington, Buckingham, England Railway Lab
Ann TURNER Wife M Female 42 Cheddington, Buckingham, England Railway Lab Wife
Emma TURNER Daur U Female 14 Cheddington, Buckingham, England Dom Servant
Mary TURNER Daur Female 5 Cheddington, Buckingham, England Scholar
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Source Information:
Dwelling New Street
Census Place Cheddington, Buckingham, England
Family History Library Film 1341392
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1644 / 49
Page Number 8
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Hi Vivienne.
You will have to get a couple of certificates to prove the following, but on 1891 census there are two children shown. Florence and Lily, but on the 1901 census there are three. Florence, Jane and Lily.
I feel sure that emma was either married previously or had two children prior to her marriage to Charles.
They married 1886. Jan/March Qtr. reg in Portsmouth. vol 2b 601.
Lily, I feel sure was theirs.
I can find the birth of a Florence Turner. 1877 Oct/Dec Qtr. reg in Portsmouth. vol 2b 478.
The birth certificate should show her parents. If you quote Mother as Emma.
If correct you should get the Father if Emma was previously married. I presume Jane also from the same union, but have not found her birth index yet.
The fact that they were listed as Chalmers on the two census records does not mean a lot.
My Gt Grandparents children were all listed under Fathers name, but registered under Mothers, as they were not married.
I hope this helps. If you get the Father of Florence then a further search can be made to find them on the 1881 census etc., Ethel.
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i have sent a p.m awaiting reply she was born st martins in the field
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Ethel
I am already in the process of obtaining the birth cert of Florence as fortunately I have just relocated to Portsmouth and the register offcee is a mere 10 min walk away !
I am now starting to think that "my Emma" was not a spinster as recorded on her marriage cert. Were they allowed to tell "porkies" in 1886 ? !
Viv
Viv
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Hello Kendo
Yes I do have Lily Emma's birth cert and Emma's maiden name was Turner from "London"
Regrds
Vv
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I may have located Emma and Florence 1881
in Portsea married no husband present
Emma Wood 35y London
Florence Wood 4y Portsea
Florence Wood birth
June Q 1877 Portsea 2b 408
a copy of this would give fathers name if one
if he is named then can look for marriage and death
or was she abandoned and remarry any way
but at least you would know maiden name!!!
Mavis
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Hi Viv. They put alsorts of wrong info down back then. some deliberatly, some through poor education. I am sure of the marriage so Florence and Jane must be before that. It will be interesting to find out what the birth certificate shows when you get it. Ethel.
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Hellooo To All
Thanks so much for all the input to "my Emma" Turner/Chalmers query.
I have received so much feedback that it is going to take me a while to sort it all out in my head. You can probably understand why this particullar "brickwall" has been difficult for me..... so many leads to follow.
I am off on holiday to Italy early next week and I will completely clear my mind of Emma until I return to try and smash that brickwall
Thanks
Viv
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