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Hello fellow researchers, I am trying to find the father of George Tompkin and Luke James Tompkin[brothers] on the 1841 census they are listed with mother Mary, living in London, do not know Mary's maiden name, but think she also had a daughter Editha.

Hello Vivienne, have you identified their marriages? If you get a copy of one of their marriage certificates it will tell you the father's name they reported when they married if they did name a father.

It can help to have the information you have like their approximate DOB from the 1841

Name: Luke Tompkin
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Botolph Aldersgate
Registration district: East London
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Tompkin 53
Luke Tompkin 11
George Tompkin 13


Also you have added the information to that record that Luke was born in Hendon and this is also useful for others to know.

Where does the information about Editha come from and what do you know about her please?

1881

Luke James TIMPKIN Head M Male 50 London Hendon, London, Middlesex, England Wholesale Milliner
Clara Elizabeth TIMPKIN Wife M Female 45 St Nicholas, Nottingham, England
Edith COLLISHAW Sister W Female 67 Nottingham, England Wholesale Milliner
Albert TIMPKIN Son U Male 23 London, London, Middlesex, England Milliner
Arthur TIMPKIN Son U Male 17 Nottingham, England Dyer
Mary Whide TIMPKIN Daur U Female 13 Nottingham, England
Annie MITCHELL Servant U Female 18 Edwalton, Nottingham, England Domestic Servant
Caroline CHESHIRE Neice U Female 14 Nottingham, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 8 6 4 & 2 Drury Hill
Census Place Nottingham St Peter, Nottingham, England
Family History Library Film 1341804
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3364 / 28
Page Number 17

1881 - poss?

George H. TOMPKINS Head M Male 52 Hounslow, Middlesex, England Cordwainer
Mary M. TOMPKINS Daur U Female 23 Slough, Berkshire, England Laundress
Charles H. TOMPKINS Grand Son Male 1 m Windsor, Berkshire, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling Oxford Road Acacia Place
Census Place Clewer, Berkshire, England
Family History Library Film 1341321
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1324 / 54
Page Number 11

Hmmmm,

If they are on the 1841 census living with their mother i take it there is no father listed?

The 1841 isn't really worth much and is a frustrating document.... it gives you so much data while not really saying much at all.

Are you sure these 2 men are brothers? As the 1841 does not give you relationship data, have you found them on the 1851 or any other way to prove they are siblings?

Are they on the IGI?

Could you lastly post the 1841 data you have, as you are more intimately familiar with these people than us, you have a head start!!


Tracey xx

Edith Clara Tomkins Pedigree
Female
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Event(s):
Birth: 1856 St George East, , London, England
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Parents:
Father: Charles Joseph Tomkins Family
Mother: Mary Allen Capper

This seems to be the marriage for the couple Ann of Green Gables posted and the birthplace Hendon in that 1881 census seems to match

Marriages Jun 1879
ATKIN William Buckle Nottingham 7b 421
Burrows Frances Mary Nottingham 7b 421
CLEGG Clara Elizabeth Nottingham 7b 421 <<<
Freeman John Nottingham 7b 421
Tompkin Luke James Nottingham 7b 421 <<<

and it looks like he married again in 1884. You probably know all this? Is Edith Collishaw in the 1881 census the Editha Tompkin you refer to? It seems unlikely since she was aborn in Nottingham? In 1841

Name: Editha Collishaw
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Gender: Female
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England

Civil parish: St Mary
Hundred: Nottingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire

Household Members:
Name Age
John Collishaw 25
Editha Collishaw 25
Louizd Collishaw 15

This looks like the record you mention. Here is gives ages

1841 England Census
about Luke Tompkin
Name: Luke Tompkin
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Botolph Aldersgate
Hundred: Ossulstone (Finsbury Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: East London
Sub-registration district: Cripplegate
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Tompkin 53
Luke Tompkin 11
George Tompkin 13


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Yes Ginny I put that in my first post, lol. Hopefully Vivienne will tell us what information she has other than what is in this thread which I suspect she may already have.

Thank you to all for the info posted, Luke James Tompkin was my Gt.Gt.Grandfather the father of Albert Tompkin. As you can see he is listed with his Mother Mary & brother George on 1841 census. Where I got Editha from, she is listed on one census in the same household as Luke as sister [Editha Collishaw] her husband John Collishaw was deceased by then. Editha from what I can gather was born around 1816, then George 1828 and Luke 1830. The Luke James who married in 1884 was the son of Luke James Snr. Luke senior first married Margaret Ann Chalmers in 1848, she died in the 1870s he re-married in 1879 Clare E Clegg and he died in 1873. This is as far as I have got on the Tompkin side but if there is anyone who can tell me who Mary's Husband was I will be eternally grateful.

1851 Edith Collishaw
george tompkin
James Clarke 1801 Nottingham.
Mary Tompkin now says born 1809 but i think that is wrong.Born Leicestershire.

Was Edith the Edith sparke Collishaw who died in nottingham 1885,if so maybe the Sparke is a clue,or should it be Clarke.
Meaning maybe Mary was Clarke and related to James Clarke!!!

Maryb

A clue indeed Mary


EDITH SPARKE
Christening: 04 SEP 1814 Saint Mary, Nottingham, Nottingham, England
Father: EDWARD SPARKE
Mother: MARY
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: C044873

Vivienne you want to know 'who Mary's Husband was'. The very simple way to find out is to obtain a marriage certificate for one of the sons or have you done that and they did not name a father? (That was the very first tihng I said in my first post but I don't see your answer)

Thanks for the information which you gave me on Luke James Tompkin, I now have the marriage cert copy and have the name of his father- Vivienne,

Now that's a long time gone!

We've been sat by our desk tops waiting for your reply

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Sorry if I upset someone by not getting Luke James Tompkin's marriage cert copy sooner , but as a pensioner, at times other things have to take priority.

Ginny was kidding you I think Vivienne. Everyone is very pleased when somebody comes back to their thread and reports on progress. Look how late I am coming back to the thread, lol.

You haven't said his father's name so if you do want some more help go ahead and add it to your thread here.

Yes I was indeed 'kidding' you Vivienne!

Glad you got the info you wanted and came back to us

Ginny
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Just got back from holiday and am pleased to see that I still have some contacts to help out. I only started this research last year and a lot of my family knowledge was from what my grandmother told me, now I am like a lot of others trying to fill in the gaps. I did get Luke James's fathers name George Tompkin and his occupation, Carpenter. I cannot find the marriage of George and Mary, but then it was before 1837, so would have to find it in church records. These I think may be in Leicester as that is where Mary came from. My brother lives near Leicester, he too is retired, and is going to try the churches which were around in 1820's. Anyhow thanks for all your help Ginny and Brucebat from a grateful 74yr old.