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Hiya everyone i just want to ask you all the following questions.
I have tried finding the marriage between my grand parents Ernest James Brown to a May Mills supposedly 1903 either in Nottingham Wymeswold or maybe Oldbury, as my Grandfather was born there.....They state on the 1911 census that they have been married for 8 years........ i have looked everywhere for this info and cannot find it. Ernest James Brown was married to a Rose Blackshaw (1900) but this marriage i have and she has nothing to do with our family apart from being Ernest's first wife and i got the name of Ernests father John off their marriage certificate....

I have the same problems for my grt grt grand parents Sarah Pushee nee Jones and John Pushee possibly between 1869 - 1873 . They are from London middlesex/Spitalfields/Holborn /Tower Hamlets area. John Pushee was married to a Hannah Burdin but she died, My grt gan is Sarah Pushee and John Pushee's daughter which is seen on my grt grans christening record. Her name is Rosetta Florence Pushee b1879.

I have platinum here on Genes and gold on Ancestry yet i still cannot find it and i've been looking for months and months now..................Should i assume they weren't married???

Also i have birth certificates (bc) so i have the correct names. My grt Gran was May Mills on my grandads bc yet i cannot find a May Mills born in Wymeswold so i am guessing she either wasn't named May Mills at birth or wasn't born in Wymeswold even tho she said she was on the 1901 (servant in Barrow upon Soar) and 1911 (Basford Nottingham) census........and now i cannot find her parents.

If anyone has any ideas what i could do i would love to hear them. My family have no clue as i have asked them. Also we believe she remarried at some point possibly to someone called Fred Lilly??? as she was known as Grandma lilly. The really strange thing is no one remembers my grt grandfather Ernest Brown, my Dad, aunts and uncle only remember her living with an 'Uncle Fred' Possibly remarried Fred around 1920's-30's...that's if she did marry him? No one knows for sure.


Thanks many regards
Rosina

Might Rosetta have preferred the name Sarah..........

Marriages Jun 1876 (>99%)
Jones Rosetta Mary Whitechapel 1c 740
Pushee John Whitechapel 1c 740

A coincidence that her daughter was called Rosetta dont you think?
Or is this a different John!

Births Sep 1855 (>99%)
Jones Rosetta Mary Whitechapel 1c 298

Deaths Sep 1911 (>99%)
Pushee Rosetta M 56 Hackney 1b 604

Name: John Pushee
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Spouse Name: Hannah Burdin
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 26 Jun 1854
Parish: St Andrew, Bethnal Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Pushee (Weaver)
Spouse Father Name: John Burdin (Carpenter)

first marriage... do you know when Hannah died?...

Chris :)

Possible for May using her middle name?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Mar 1886 (>99%)
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MILLS Annie May Loughborough 7a 149


1891 England Census
about Annie M Mills
Name: Annie M Mills
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Arthur S Mills
Mother's Name: Catherine Mills
Gender: Female
Where born: Wymeswold, Leicestershire, England

Civil parish: Wymeswold
Ecclesiastical parish: Wymeswold
Town: Wymeswold
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Loughborough
Sub-registration district: Leake
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur S Mills 33
Catherine Mills 30
>>>>Annie M Mills 5
Arthur Hy Mills 3
Ada E Mills 1


Andy

Name: Charlotte Elizabeth Pushee
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1874
Baptism Date: 19 Feb 1874
Father's Name: John Pushee
Mother's Name: Sarah Pushee
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bethnal Green St Bartholomew
Borough: Tower Hamlets

Name: Rosetta Florence Pushee
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1879
Baptism Date: 13 Apr 1879
Father's Name: John Pushee
Mother's Name: Sarah Pushee
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bethnal Green St James the Great
Borough: Tower Hamlets


1881

PUSHEY, John Head Married M 48 1833
Spitalfields
Middlesex
PUSHEY, Sarah Wife Married F 32 1849
Holborn
PUSHEY, Robert Son Single M 12 1869 Scholar
Bethnal Green
Middlesex
PUSHEY, Charlottee Daughter Single F 7 1874 Scholar
Bethnal Green
Middlesex
PUSHEY, Florence Daughter Single F 2 1879
Bethnal Green
Middlesex

RG number:
RG11 Piece:
419 Folio:
39 Page:
26

Registration District:
Bethnal Green Sub District:
Green Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Bethnal Green Municipal Borough:
Address:
2, Collingwood S, Bethnal Green County:
Middlesex

Is there a chance of this marriage being the one you are after. Different middle name for him and she is Harriett but we know names used in life are not always what they were given.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1904 (>99%)
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Baker Louisa Elizabeth Woolwich 1d 2120
Brown Ernest John Woolwich 1d 2120
Chappell Herbert Woolwich 1d 2120
MILLS Harriett Woolwich 1d 2120

is this the Rose Blackshaw who married Ernest James Brown ? Did they divorce or did she die ?

Perhaps Ernest and May weren't in a position to marry ?


Births Jun 1879 (>99%)
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Blackshaw Rosa Ball Basford 7b 188


If so, she is still alive in 1911 -

1911

BROWN, Rosa Bell Head F 30 1881 Hosiery Mender Nottingham VIEW
DENTON, Elizabeth Boarder Married F 50 1861 Hosiery Winder Nottingham VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
20547 Reference:
RG14PN20547 RG78PN1230 RD430 SD3 ED7 SN10

Registration District:
Nottingham Sub District:
Nottingham North East Enumeration District:
7 Parish:
Nottingham

Address:
113 Alfred St South Nottingham County:
Nottinghamshire


(says she has been married for 12 years with no children - this has been crossed through on the original)

Hi Choccy.

Yes same person

Births Jun 1879 (>99%)
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Blackshaw Rosa Ball Basford 7b 188


1901 England Census
about Ernest J Brown
Name: Ernest J Brown
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
[Nottinghamshire, England]

Civil parish: Nottingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Nottingham South West
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 173
Household Members: Name Age
John Butters 52
Sarah Butters 47
Elizabeth H Butters 24
William J Butters 19
Thomas H Butters 18
Ernest Butters 15
Alice M Butters 12
Walter Butters 9
William Vane 31
Alice Vane 26
>>>>Ernest J Brown 25
>>>>Rose Bell Brown 22
George A Murrill 42
Georgina Murrill 5

and possible death

Deaths Jun 1943 (>99%)
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Brown Rosa B 64 Nottingham 7b 239


Andy

thanks for that Andy - suspect Ernest did not marry May ..........

I see now that there are two 1891 census for Rosetta Pushee and that the info i have given you above, is for the wrong John Pushee!!


1891 England Census
about Rossetta Florencie Puschel
Name: Rossetta Florencie Puschel
[Rossetta Florencie Pushee]
[Rossetta Florence Pushee]
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Sarah Puschel
Gender: Female
Where born: Bethnal Green, London, England

Civil parish: Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish: Stepney Church of Christ
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Puschel 45 (Widow)
Charlotte Elizabeth Puschel 17
Rossetta Florencie Puschel 12
George Geavans 51<<<< (BROTHER)


1891 England Census
about Rosetta Pushee
Name: Rosetta Pushee
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Pushee
Mother's Name: Rosetta M Pushee
Gender: Female
Where born: Bethnal Green, London, England

Civil parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael and All Angels
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerston
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Pushee 36
Rosetta M Pushee 35
Rosetta Pushee 10
Matilda MA Pushee 6

marriage to 'Uncle Fred'


Marriages Mar 1916 (>99%)
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Lilley Frederick Mills Nottingham 7b 628
Mills Annie M Lilley Nottingham 7b 628

Hiya everyone,
Oh my goodness thank you so very much for all the information.....
Firstly i didn't look for Rose Bell Brown in the 1911 i never thought to...what a fool i was there. I can't believe she lied on my grandada BC she said she was May Brown formerly Mills!!! I did suspect either no marriage or bigamy. I can't thank you enough Choccy this is wonderful finding the marriage between May and Fred so THEY did marry.


Prickly Holly you are right there are two Roseeta Florence Pushee's (strange i know). As for the Pushees Rosetta Mary Pushee married John Pushee B1855 (John James Pushee) he was the son of my John Pushee when he was married to Hannah Burdin. Rossetta Florence Pushee b1881 was related to my Rossetta Florence Pushee b1879 as half neice because John Pushee b1855 as half brother to my Rossetta.

Hannah died about 1868 she had three children with John. He was free to Marry Sarah Jones B1846 Holborn.


Sarah Pushee nee Jones is the definite mother for Rosetta Florence as i have both their birth certificates Sarah (mother) and Rosetta florence Pushee (child) Rossetta and John are also found in the 1891 census therefore Sarah didn't change her name. Hence i am still looking for this info John Pushee B1933 Sarah B

I really cannot thank you all enough especially for the none marriage wait till my family hear of that ....thats going to be a shock to them. I wonder if Ernest returned back to Rose Bell Brown it'll take me 10 years till the 1921 census comes out to be able to answer that one though.

Kindest regards
Rosina

This is the only marriage i can find between a John Pushee and a Sarah......

Marriages Mar 1860 (>99%)
Jackson Robert Lambeth 1d 338
Pushee John Hullmon Lambeth 1d 338
Pushee John Phil[e_]mon Lambeth 1d 338
Saunders Maria Julia Lambeth 1d 338
Wilcox Sarah Ann Lambeth 1d 338

I can't see any Brown/Blackshaw births, so maybe they stayed seperate

Andy

Andrew RE Mills
i thought the same as you but when i went to Wymeswold Parish records on line. That Annie was Annie Mary i am thinking the same as you as in Annie May being born in Loughborough.

I still would appreciate some help on this one if possible guys.

Kind regards
Rosina

If you get the marriage certificate for Frederick Lilley and Annie May, you hopefully will get her father's name and occupation, and can then track her back through the census returns.

If Frederick is of the same age, you might even find some military records.

May/Mary? Probably need the original birth cert to settle that one. Loughborough registration district includes Wymeswold.

Andy

Prickly Holly hiya,
I don't think the Sarah Wilcox is mine as i know her maiden name is Jones on my Grt grans Rossetta bc and Sarah b1845 would've been too young to have married and divorced a Wilcox to become Wilcox and not Jones.

Having said that i truely appreciate your advice and helping in me with this.
Now i am wondering if these 2 people ever married.......looks like two sets of Grt and grt grt grandparents had children out of wedlock hahaha.

Kindest regards
Rosina

Choccy,
Thank you and yes i have already sent off to Nottingham registry office for the marriage certificate between them i really cannot thank you enough for finding that marriage as now i can continue to find her parents.... i really was looking too late never thought it was as early as 1916 as none of my aunts and uncle called 'uncle Fred' Grandad, and yet they were all born after Grt Grandma lilley married Fred.
Regards
Rosina