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Hi everyone,
I have just received my great grandmothers birth cert,and wanted a bit more info on her parents please.
I have found their marriage in 1879 in Whitehaven Cumbria.
My great grandmother was Ada Thwaites born 1884,Whitehaven.
Her parents where William Thwaites and Ann formerly Litster.
Their address on the certificate looks like Trumpet Terrace her fathers occupation at the time was an engine driver.
Any help would be much appriciated

Thanks in advance

Julie

Thank you so much Somerset Girl I had no idea if she had any siblings whatsoever.
All I knew was she seemed to be in Cumbria from birth until she married my great grandfather in 1906 in Bickerstaffe Lancashire.
Do you think the enumerater mis-heard Annie and wrote Hannah,it seems to happen quite often with my families.
It must be the accents

Thanks again Julie

Thanks again SomersetGirl

I dont know how you find the info so quickly.

I noticed William was an Iron ore miner in 1891,so theres a possibility they moved to Lancashire after 1901 as there where mines around the area at that time.

Thanks once again

Julie

Hi SomersetGirl
I know Ada was married by 1911,and was living in Bickerstaffe in Lancashire with 3 young boys one of which was my grandad.
She married Robert Rigby in 1906 at Holy Trinity in Bickerstaffe.

I know there first child was also a Norman,so she may have named him after her baby brother.

Thank you so much

Julie

Do you think Ann Adas mother could've died because Hannah looks consistant for the next three census' ?

Could William have re-married because he had at least three children to bring up ?

I can't find a death for an Ann Thwaites though.

Nothing is ever straight forward with families,maybe thats why I find it fascinating.

Thanks again

Julie

In the 1911 census they are listed as married 20 years and with only 5 children so it is possible that Hannah is a different person to the original Ann. However the birth years are the same and Ann/Hannah can be interchangable.

There is this marriage from FreeBMD that could be the couple and a possible earlier death of Ann the same year. There is also a possible Annie Tedcastle in earlier census years listed as Annie - in 1871 in the workhouse(Harraby Hill Workhouse School) with possible sister Mary Jane Tedcastle age 13 also born in Carlisle

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1890 (>99%)
Johnstone Joseph Whitehaven 10b 1065
Sharpless Isabella Whitehaven 10b 1065
>>>Tedcastle Hannah Whitehaven 10b 1065
>>>Thwaites William Whitehaven 10b 1065


Deaths Mar 1890 (>99%)
Thwaites Ann 28 Whitehaven 10b 453


1871
Name: Annie Tedcastle
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Female
Where born: Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Civil parish: Botchergate
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Evangelist
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Carlisle
Sub-registration district: St Cuthbert
ED, institution, or vessel: 7

Did see a possible mother and brother for the children in 1881

1881

Thomas J. BLACK Head M Male 33 Green Head, Northumberland, England Coal Merchant
Dorothy BLACK Wife M Female 40 Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Malcolm TEDCASTLE Step Son Male 8 Carlisle, Cumberland, England Scholar
Mary E. BLACK Daur Female 3 Ireland Scholar
Dorothy B. BLACK Daur Female 2 Whitehaven, Cumberland, England
Evelyne M. BLACK Daur Female 1 Hensingham, Cumberland, England
Margaret BLACK Daur Female 1 m Hensingham, Cumberland, England
Mary PEARSON Servant U Female 53 Ennerdale, Cumberland, England Nurse (Dom)
Ellen MC MULLEN Servant U Female 24 Ireland Servant Domestic
Margaret MC CARTNEY Servant U Female 24 Bassenthwaite Nurse (Dom)

Source Information:
Census Place Hensingham, Cumberland, England
Family History Library Film 1342252
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 5190 / 27
Page Number 8

Thanks K,

It looks like a definate possibility,William would;ve married again within twelve months.

This seems to be a theme in a few of my relatives over the generations.

Theres always something that makes you want to carry on digging.

Thank you both very much

My Dad will be intrigued as their his relatives aswell lol

Julie

Thanks everyone for your help,my Dad was fascinated reading it all yesterday and is thinking about going to the Cumbrian records office.

I was just wondering if Ada would be in domestic service in 1901,I think she was still in Cleator though.

Thanks again

Julie

Glad your Dad is enjoying it. I think this is Ada in 1901, She is listed as a visitor and other person Betty is listed as having a husband in Africa!! Maybe Ada was acting as a companion. The street name is the same on their marriage cert

Name: Ada Thwaites
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Cleator, Cumberland, England

Civil parish: Cleator
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Cleator Moor
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Street Address: 47 Trumpet Terrace

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Whitehaven
Sub-registration district: Egremont
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 47
Household Members:
Name Age
Betsy Haddath 57
Ada Thwaites

Thank you K its very much appreciated,she could possibly be a relative.

She could be Elizabeth Litster her mothers sister,I'll have to have a nosey on freebmd.

Thanks again

Julie

Well I had a nosey and it looks like its Betsy Thwaite that married Mr Haddath in 1868 so a possible relative.

Thwaites and slight varients seems to be a common name around the Cumbrian area,as to is Rigby in Lancashire who Ada married.

Thanks again everyone

Julie

It could be the same family - I think this is Betsy in 1851


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1851 England Census
about Betsy Thwaite
Name: Betsy Thwaite
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Betsey
Gender: Female
Where born: Abbey Holme, Cumberland, England

Civil parish: Torpenhow
Ecclesiastical parish: Carlisle
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Wigton
Sub-registration district: Abbey Holme
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 74
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Thwaite 51
Betsey Thwaite 36
Thos Thwaite 13
Sarah Thwaite 11
Jane Thwaite 9
Betsy Thwaite 7
John Thwaite 3
Edward Thwaite 1

Thanks again K you have been fantastic

Quote from Carlisle Record Office website:
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Hope this helps.
Shirley

Thanks Shirley for the info I'd better get my skates on

Julie....1881 Census shows next door neighbours of Wm and Ann are Joseph Heddath and Betsy also Neice Mary Thwaites aged 7....
Not uncommon for husband to have been in Africa (1901) probably should be South Africa...Many men from 'The Moor' went out to work in the mines there...

For ref...1881

Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Joseph HEDDATH Head M Male 43 Lancashire, England Iron Ore Banker
Betsy HEDDATH Wife M Female 37 Cumberland, England
Mary A. THWAITES Neice Female 7 Cumberland, England Scholar


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Source Information:
Dwelling Trumpet Terrace
Census Place Cleator, Cumberland, England
Family History Library Film 1342252
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 5191 / 33
Page Number 59

The 1911 census confirms they had no children and had been married 42 years

HADDATH, Joseph Head Married
42 years M 73 1838 Retired Miller Lanc. Tover VIEW
HADDATH, Betsy Wife Married F 67 1844 Cumbd Aldoth Abby Holme VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
31518 Reference:
RG14PN31518 RG78PN1810 RD577 SD3 ED10 SN28

Registration District:
Whitehaven Sub District:
Egremont EnumerationDistrict:
10 Parish:
Beckermet St John

Address:
Church Square Beckermet Cumbld County:

Thank you Erin and K once again,

My Dad has been reading through it all today,and found it to be really interesting.

Looking back at Joseph Heddath he says he was born in Lancashire so there could be a possibility he had something to do with Ada being there.

Thanks again you have been fantastic

Julie