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Claire no I dont have the Marriage Cert. Harriett was my Great Grandmothers sister. I know by buying the Cert it will give me the Fathers name so that I will look into in a few weeks. I try to limit myself to one cert every so often. Bless You

Regards Marion

Thanks Pat and Claire,
You have both been such a great help and most appreciated.

Regards Marion

Hi Marion

What a puzzle this is turning out to be.

I think this is the family on the 1871 England Census about Francis Neate
Name: Francis Neate Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Susannah
Gender: Male
Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image
Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Kentish Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 53

Household Members: Name Age
Ada Gibbons 2
Alfred Gibbons 4
Elizh Gibbons 6
Francis Neate 23 was a carpenter
Susannah Neate 24 born Suffolk

Name for the children given as Gibbons but I think this is the family and the christian names tie up with the 1881 census. Checked to see if Susannah’s maiden name was Gibbons, but could find nothing.

I have been unable to find either Francis or Susannah in 1861 or 1851 but without Susannah's maiden name it is difficult. I cannot find a marriage around mid 1860s either.

I have checked for other children on the 1891 and 1901 censuses but without success, and I can also find no deaths during this time. So all in all a complete mystery family.

I know Claire thought it was quite a long way from Deptford to St Pancras but the whole family seem to have made the move so I think this could be right.

Anyway, I hope this has helped and good luck with your research.

Pat

nudge

Marion the 1901 that I found for Alfred shows him married to Harriett, place of birth as Deptford & he's a furniture porter however census have been known to be wrong in the past. Deptford & Pancras are quite a distance from one another.
Do you have Alfred & Harriet's marriage cert? This would show his Dad's name & occupation.

Hi Marion

Sorry I did not get back to you yesterday. Out again today so will nudge this up to take a look tonight.

Regards Pat

Thankyou Pat and Claire. I am just a little confused Claire as I rather liked the sound of Pats finding for Alfred Neill whose parents were Francis and Susannah. Francis profession was a Staircase Maker. Claire you found an entry for Alfred Neill being born in The Union Workhouse Greenwich but I cannot see Francis and Susannah,s name. Can you help sort this out. Sorry ladies. It must be the early hour here in OZ and my mind still is not at its best for thinking.


I appreciate your help.

Regards Marion

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Alfred John Neill
Name: Alfred John Neill
Year of Registration: 1868
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Greenwich
County: Greater London, Kent, London
Volume: 1d
Page: 793 (click to see others on page)

1871 England Census
about Alfred Neil
Name: Alfred Neil
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Gender: Male
Where born: Deptford, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Greenwich
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: Greenwich East
ED, institution, or vessel: Greenwich Union Workhouse
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
James Neale 65
Jane Neale 72
Alfred Neil 2
Elizabeht Neil
M N Neil 25
Hart Neild 84
Elizth Nell 57

He was born in Deptford according to the 1901

1901 England Census
about Alfred Neill
Name: Alfred Neill
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Harriett A
Gender: Male
Where born: Deptford, London, England

Civil Parish: Deptford St Paul
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Deptford
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: Deptford Central
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 76
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Neill 36
Harriett A Neill 36

Thanks Pat. The last entry sounds possitive. You have been a great help. Very many thanks

Regards Marion

Hi again

Forget the previous one, as this could be Alfred in 1891, because if you look on the IGI below, there is an Alfred John Neale born abt 1867 to Francis and Susannah in Deptford which could tie in with the 1881 census. Also his father Francis was a staircase maker.

1891 England Census about Alferd Neil
Name: Alferd Neil Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Deptford, Kent, England

Civil Parish: St Paul Deptford
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: St Paul Deptford
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page

Household Members: Name Age
Alferd Neil 22 born Deptford Upholsterers Cabinet Assistant
Daisey Richbell 6
Edwin Richbell 1
Emma Richbell 40
Ethel E Richbell 4
Frank Richbell 3
Herbert Richbell 10
Rupbert Richbell 44


IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
British Isles

Alfred Neale Pedigree
Male
Event(s):
Birth: About 1867 Saint Pancras, London, England
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: Francis Neale Family
Mother: Susannah Neale
Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.
Source Information:
No source information is available.If this is the correct family, you can key in pparents Francis and Susannah and find other siblings.

Sorry got to go out now, but will check back this evening to see how you are getting on.

Good hunting Pat

Hi Marion

This is the only one I can find for 1891, but not sure -
1891 England Census about Alfred Neale
Name: Alfred Neale Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Lizzie
Gender: Male
Where born: St Pancras, London, England

Civil Parish: Bloomsbury St George
Ecclesiastical parish: Bloomsbury St George
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: St Giles
Sub-registration district: St George Bloomsbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Neale 27 was a bottle washer
Alfred Neale 2
Edward Neale 1
Lizzie Neale 23

Was Alfred perhaps married twice. 1891 with wife Lizzie – I have found a marriage between Alfred John Neale and an Elizabeth Jessie Billing in Hackney June Quarter 1886, but cannot find a death for Lizzie, so he could marry again. Also occupation “bottle washer” does not seem right. Confusing or what?

Regards Pat

Thanks Pat,
Yes Alfred was a Furniture Maker but I just dont know where to search for him through the Census. I need him in 1871/81/91. As Harriett and Alfred married in Greenwich 1901 perhaps Alfred was born in Greenwich? I have found a few on the Census one being born in the Union Workhouse but I,m just not sure thats why I need help please.

Regards Marion

Hi Marion

Could this be him in 1881?

1881 England Census about Alfred Neale
Name: Alfred Neale Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Francis
Mother's Name: Susannah
Gender: Male
Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Pancras
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 20 Oak Village
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Surgical Instrument Maker

Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Kentish Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Neighbors: View others on page

Household Members: Name Age
Ada Neale 12
Alfred Neale 14 was a surgical instrument maker
Flora Neale 4
Francis Neale 32 was a staircase builder
George Neale 8
Minnie Neale 3
Rose Neale 6
Susannah Neale 35

I see on the 1901 census he was a furniture worker so am not sure now.

If you think this might be him, I have other information from the IGI etc

Best wishes Pat

Can anyone help please as my subscription to Ancestry ran out a few days ago. I am searching for any information regarding Alfred John Neill born approx 1861 to 1869 who can be found on the 1901 Census with wife Harriett born 1864 Aldershot. I have Census for Harriett so no search required there but I do need help with Alfred John Neill. From memory the 1901 Census states he was born in Pancras but the two were living in Deptford. I have found Alfred James Neill for Pancras but this is not the one. If anyone can help it would be greatly appreciated. Alfred married Harriett in 1901. I am not sure if any children were born to them. I cant find a death either for Alfred John Neill but I do have Harrietts Death I believe
for Deaths Mar 1916
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Neill Harriet A 48 Lewisham



Many Thanks

Marion