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William Minney was my great grandfather, born abt 1 Feb 1877. He married Lilly (Lillie) Portch born abt 13 Jan 1878. They left the UK with their daughter Doris May Minney born 4 Sept 1907 in Birmingham, for South Africa when Doris was a child.
According to the marriage certificate of William and Lilly his father was also a William Minney.
I need help to expand the Minney line - anyone?

What a lovely name. Have to say I cant see a Mark Minney in Brum, but there is a William. Do you know what his occupation was? This guy is a boot cutter
Name: William Minney
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Northamptonshire, England

Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 126
Household Members: Name Age
William Minney 24
Harold E Plant 17
Mary A Plant 46





. If we can find the marriage ref you can then buy the cert from GRO for his fathers name and we will know what line to follow.

Hmm, with names like that the marriage search should be easy but nothing showing yet - here is Doris May's birth ref though if you need to buy the certificate:

Births Dec 1907
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MINNEY Doris May Aston 6d 275

Hi there, Just chatted to my Mom - (his granddaughter). She says he could have been William Mark rather. Just before he left England he drove trams but she says he was very good with shoes because when in South Africa he had a business in making and repairing shoes.

This looks like the shoe guy in 1881 - his father is a shoe finisher

Name: William Minney
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Rushden, Northamptonshire, England

Civil Parish: Rushden
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England

Street address: Duck Street
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Wellingborough
Sub-registration district: Higham Ferrers
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Barrett 22
Eliza Minney 34
Ellen Minney 8
James Minney 35
James Minney 16
Thomas Minney 10
William Minney 5

James Minney
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Yardley Hastings, Northamptonshire, England

Civil Parish: Rushden
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England

Street address: Duck Street
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Shoe Finisher

Registration district: Wellingborough
Sub-registration district: Higham Ferrers


1891:

Name: James Minney
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Norths, Yardley Hastings

Civil Parish: Rushden
Town: Rushden
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Wellingborough
Sub-registration district: Higham Ferrers
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Buck 27
Eliza Minney 44
Ellen Minney 19
George W Minney 15
Herbert Minney 7
James Minney 45
James Minney 26
Thomas Minney 20

Hi Heather, Thank you - that is my Grandmother's birth reference. Doris May Minney. Will get the certificate. I am not 100% sure of Lilly Porch's birth year (using my Mom's memory....and she is 78 LOL). Lilly could have been a Lillian because she was called Lill or Lilly. She had a sister they called Fanny - Mom doesn't know her real name though. We don't know where they were born.

Its quite strange as names like that should shoot out of the pages.

From the sounds of it, the shoe guy could be your ancestor though but without the certificate ..............It may be the birth cert will throw light on it all.

Fanny can be a name in its own right or a nick name for Frances.

Hi there,
I know that William Mark Minney had a sister called Rebecca .....don't know if that would help.

HOORAH, found the marriage, different spelling for the wife: Now you can buy that cert for £7 from GRO online and we can get a firm hold on the right line :)


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Marriages Jun 1901
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MINNEY William Aston 6d 696
Portch Lillie Aston 6d 696

Heather,
Thank you so much. I had been struggling with the Porch/Minney line and kinda gave up. Being here in South Africa, I have tried to search...but have not quite got the knack yet. Am new to this. Hence the very BIG thank you for your interest.

You are SUCH a star! Now this will help I am sure.

Here is the address to order them from: using those refs above you pay £7 each cert.

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/


I am surprised that you dont mention any earlier kids than Doris - 6 years gap before she was born?

On a roll now:1901 with sister Fanny and guess what, Lillie is a shoemaker


Do you have an ancestry sub? You say you have tried census research? If you havent got a sub, definitely take one out.


: Lillie Portch
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas John
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham

Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 190
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Portch 17
Fanny Portch 24
Jane Portch 53
Lillie Portch 21
May Portch 13
Minnie Portch 23
Thomas John Portch 60

Possible??
Name: Lillie Rosina Portch
Year of Registration: 1880
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Fulham
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 292

1881:
Blimey your GGFx2 even gives the exact address he was born - wow!
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Name: Thomas Portch
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: London 50 Good St, London, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Aston
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address: 29 Oliver Street
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Shopman

Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 41
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Emily Portch 7
Fanny Portch 4
Jane Portch 33
Lilly Portch 1
Lizzie Portch 9
Minnie Portch 3
Thomas Portch 38

Another cert for you to buy:

Marriages Sep 1870
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McCORMICK William Farnham 2a 117
>>>PORTCH Thomas Farnham 2a 117
Waller Matilda Farnham 2a 117
>>>Wilson Jane Farnham 2a 117

Name: Thomas Portch Great Grandad x 2 is in the army!
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Aldershot
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Farnham
Sub-registration district: Frimley
ED, institution, or vessel: General Staff and Departments
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Portch 23
Thomas Portch 28


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Thomas John Portch
Year of Registration: 1843
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Pancras (1837-1901)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1
Page: 337

Im going to leave you now as you have a huge amount to take in there. And several certs to buy!

Oh wow.....now we have it. Doris was the only daughter of William and Lillie. Its William that had a sister called Rebecca and Lillie had a sister called Fanny. You have the right Lillie now. I will order Certificates - thanks for the website. I do subscribe to Ancestory.com and Genes reunited. Being new to this I have found it difficult to 'dig' but thanks - really. You don't know how you have helped me.

Yes, Fanny is with Lillie in that 1901 census. I cant see a Rebecca with William though. It didnt help that you had a wrong spelling for Lillies surname.

Get some of those certs and you will be able to place them exactly.

Lillies parents married when he was in the army - they may be an interesting line.

You should now be able to follow some of the info on the ancestry site.