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When some one frist told me the parents to Olive i thought great But then Robert had to go and mess it all around so if i ignore him like the census do and just put it down that Olive son just worked for some one with the same surname as his mum's maiden name YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

BUT the certificates will also give the address of the bride and groom, and that may be the clincher (or not of course!)




sylvia

Pat

There are 3 families from the IGI

Isaac and Sarah Lomas

Joseph and Olive Lomas

and

John and Mary Lomas

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You had 1841 entry for a John and Mary:-

Ann Lomas 15
James Lomas 15
John Lomas 55
Joshua Lomas 30
Mary Lomas 55
Mary Lomas 20
Robert Lomas 12

Then Alan found ANOTHER John and Mary on the 1841:-

Elizabeth Lomas 6
George Lomas 14
Jacob Lomas 12
James Lomas 2
John Lomas 40
John Lomas 10
Margrate Lomas 15
Mary Lomas 40
Olive Lomas 8


Then Margaret found what she thought was the same family you had found on the 1841 but on the 1851, and said she thought you had the worng one:-

Cock Yard, Chapel en le Frith, Derbyshire
John Lomas, head, 52, farmer of 88 actres & publican
Mary, wife, 50
Margaritt, dau, 26
George, son, 24, lime carter
John, son, 20, lime carter
Olive, dau, 18, dressmaker
Elizabeth, dau, 15
James, son, 12
All born Chapel en le Frith except wife, Mary born High Lane, Cheshire.
Isaac Coffin, servant, widower, 55


Alan looked on the 1841 and said there were TWO families with John and Mary as parents, living on different farms.


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If you lay it out

... there are TWO families with John and Mary Lomas as parents

..... a family with Isaac and Sarah

......and a family with Joseph and Olive Lomas



................ and whoever else pops out of the woodwork!!



sylvia

I understand but if i find his marriage for his fathers name it still wold be the same out come as both familys had same named parents but differant children?????????

as I said



............. don't make assumptions


You need to find one of his marriages, then get that marriage certificate to see if he ahs the same father as Olive


You will probably find these families are related ........... but the connection will be back in the 1700s somewhere




sylvia

Oh hang on just checked and the other family in that area were all so called John and Mary
Ann Lomas 15
James Lomas 15
John Lomas 55
Joshua Lomas 30
Mary Lomas 55
Mary Lomas 20
Robert Lomas 12

differant bothers and sisters to my one

Thank you so much for putting in all this hard work looking at your notes
Robert would have been born in 1828 and when you scroll down to the children of John and Mary Lomas he is there

ROBERT LOMAS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 06 MAY 1827 Chapel En Le Frith, Derby, England

Couldn't find a marriage for Robert and Alice ... which would tell you Robert's father ........... but then I found the 1861 Census

Alice was his second wife!

1861 Census

Name: Robert Lomas
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Martha
Gender: Male
Where born: Chapel En Le Frith, Derbyshire, England

Civil Parish: Fairfield
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Registration district: Chapel En Le Frith
Sub-registration district: Buxton
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 171
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Lomas 20 House servant
Joshua Lomas 11 Mo
Martha Lomas 26 b.ca 1835, Peak Forest, Derbyshire
Robert Lomas 33 Farmer of 70 acres
Robert Lomas 4



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Unforunately, I cannot be sure that I ahve found her marriage to Robert either!! Nor her death



sylvia

If this is the 1871 Census you mention .... ti is unlikely that Robert and Olive were borther and sister ..... look at the birth dates!!!

1871 Census

Name: Robert Lomas
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Alice
Gender: Male
Where born: Chapel En Le Frith, Derbyshire, England

Civil Parish: Fairfield
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Registration district: Chapel En Le Frith
Sub-registration district: Buxton
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 34
Household Members: Name Age
Enock Ball 15 b.ca 1856, Chapel en la FrithServant Farm Ag/Indoors
Alice Lomas 35
Joshua Lomas 11
Robert Lomas 23 Farmer
Robert Lomas 14
Mary Salt 15
Joseph Vains 17


Address:- Ash piece, Fairfield

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ooops ..... he gave the wrong age on the 1871!! I did check the image, and it did seem to be 23 although it was obscured by blakc marks

However, here is the 1881, which implies he was at least 20 years older, and therefore COULD have been Olive's brother/relation

1881 Census

Name: Robert Lomas
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Alice
Gender: Male
Where born: Halsteads, Derbyshire, England

Civil Parish: Fairfield
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street address: Railway Inn
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Inn Keeper & Farmer 110 Acres

Registration district: Chapel En Le Frith
Sub-registration district: Buxton
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Fox 15
Alice Lomas 47
Harriett Alice Lomas 26
John Lomas 7
Joshua Lomas 20
Robert Lomas 53
Robert Lomas 24
Hannah Winterbottom 15




sylvia

Here is Olive's marriage registration (from www.freebmd.org.uk). This is a free site, that you can use to get bmds from September 1837.

Marriages Jun 1853 (>99%)

Ball Edwin Macclesfield 8a 216
Lomas Olive Macclesfield 8a 216


If you buy this certificate, it will tell you the names of the two fathers, and their occupations, and the address of the bride and groom. That will help find which fmaily Olive belongs to


To order a certificate go to www.gro.gov.uk, click on Ordering Certificates Online at the right of the screen, and follow instructions.

They will ask for the GRO reference number ... that's the set of two numbers following Macclesfield.


Each certificate costs £7, but a certificate is the ONLY to be sure that you ahve the correct peopel together.



sylvia

Have you looked on the Mormon site (www.familysearch.org)?

You have to be VERY careful with information from the site, because a SUBMITTED report has been submitted by a member of the church and may be wrong (or even invented!!).

However, if you go to Advanced Search, and then International Genealogical Index, and concetrate on EXTRACTED records which have been taken from the actual records, you do get leads. They still ahve to be double checked (as does ALL information you obtain!).

I found these Olive Lomas' on there
OLIVE LOMAS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 19 MAR 1826 Chapel En Le Frith, Derby, England

father Isaac Lomas, mother Sarah


OLIVE LOMAS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 06 APR 1828 Chapel En Le Frith, Derby, England

father Joseph Lomas, mother Olive


OLIVE LOMAS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 07 APR 1833 Chapel En Le Frith, Derby, England

father John Lomas, mother Mary


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children of Isaac Lomas and Sarah


SARAH LOMAS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 14 MAY 1822 Chapel En Le Frith, Derby, England

SARAH LOMAS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 06 FEB 1842 Chapel En Le Frith, Derby, England
?????? see date!!

OLIVE LOMAS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 19 MAR 1826 Chapel En Le Frith, Derby, England

ELIZABETH LOMAS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 01 AUG 1824 Chapel En Le Frith, Derby, England


MARY ANN LOMAS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 13 OCT 1833 Chapel En Le Frith, Derby, England

JOHN LOMAS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 29 MAR 1828 Chapel En Le Frith, Derby, England

JAMES LOMAS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 26 SEP 1830 Chapel En Le Frith, Derby, England

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Children of Joseph Lomas and Olive

ANN LOMAS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 13 FEB 1831 Chapel En Le Frith, Derby, England

OLIVE LOMAS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 06 APR 1828 Chapel En Le Frith, Derby, England

MARY LOMAS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 26 APR 1825 Chapel En Le Frith, Derby, England


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Children of John Lomas and Mary

SARAH LOMAS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 01 AUG 1830 Chapel En Le Frith, Derby, England

HANNAH LOMAS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 26 DEC 1830 Chapel En Le Frith, Derby, England

MATTHEW LOMAS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 05 MAR 1835 Chapel En Le Frith, Derby, England

OLIVE LOMAS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 07 APR 1833 Chapel En Le Frith, Derby, England

ELIZTH LOMAS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 12 SEP 1835 Chapel En Le Frith, Derby, England

CAROLINE LOMAS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 26 DEC 1830 Chapel En Le Frith, Derby, England

JOHN LOMAS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 06 FEB 1831 Chapel En Le Frith, Derby, England

JAMES LOMAS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 14 DEC 1823 Chapel En Le Frith, Derby, England

JACOB LOMAS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 13 FEB 1829 Chapel En Le Frith, Derby, England

JAMES LOMAS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 25 FEB 1839 Chapel En Le Frith, Derby, England

ELLEN LOMAS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 11 FEB 1824 Chapel En Le Frith, Derby, England

ELLEN LOMAS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 27 JAN 1833 Chapel En Le Frith, Derby, England

GEORGE LOMAS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 09 NOV 1826 Chapel En Le Frith, Derby, England

ROBERT LOMAS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 06 MAY 1827 Chapel En Le Frith, Derby, England

MARGARET LOMAS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 06 FEB 1825 Chapel En Le Frith, Derby, England



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In other words


there are at least 3 families of Lomas' having children in Chapel en le Frith during the relevant time period.


So you have some very careful sorting out to do


No assumptions!!!!!



sylvia

nudge

Any HELP now much apperciated...........

What i do know from the start is that Olive Lomas born 1829 ?, Chapel en le Frith, Derbyshire married Edwin Ball and they had a son called Enock on 1871 census Enock down as servant to Robert , Alice Lomas and they had a son called John later on the 1881 census john now staying with Enock so i persumed that they were cousins and that Robert and Olive were brother and sister ?????????????

confused.........

Hi
Sorry been watching football on t.v

Looked at both Familys original image, 2 different Familys, working on 2 different Farms.

Alan

ok not errors by the look of your out come two seperate familys.

Hi Alan do you think these are two seperate familys as both census are from 1841 or can they be the same family just errors when putting info down from census ?????????

If this is your family in 1851, you've definitely got the wrong one in 1841 and Alan's got the right one.
1851 census
Cock Yard, Chapel en le Frith, Derbyshire
John Lomas, head, 52, farmer of 88 actres & publican
Mary, wife, 50
Margaritt, dau, 26
George, son, 24, lime carter
John, son, 20, lime carter
Olive, dau, 18, dressmaker
Elizabeth, dau, 15
James, son, 12
All born Chapel en le Frith except wife, Mary born High Lane, Cheshire.
Isaac Coffin, servant, widower, 55

1841 England Census
about Olive Lomas
Name: Olive Lomas
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Gender: Female
Where born: Derbyshire, England

Civil Parish: Chapel En Le Frith
Hundred: High Peake
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Chapel en le Frith
Sub-registration district: Chapel en le Frith
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Lomas 6
George Lomas 14
Jacob Lomas 12
James Lomas 2
John Lomas 40
John Lomas 10
Margrate Lomas 15
Mary Lomas 40
Olive Lomas 8

Can anyone tell me the job title for the members in this family.
Can anyone tell me what the job titles are in this family

1841 census


Registration district: Chapel en le Frith
Sub-registration district: Chapel en le Frith
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Lomas 15
James Lomas 15
John Lomas 55
Joshua Lomas 30
Mary Lomas 55
Mary Lomas 20
Robert Lomas 12

And if possible can anyone tell me if there was a daughter called Olive born 1829 as she is not on this census but am sure this is the right family.