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Please can someone give me some guidance?
I have
Ada Addison married to George Lawes 02/04/1899 St Pauls, Southwark. Ada was 20 a spinster and her father was Thomas Addison (carman). Thomas & Hannah Addison were the witnesses.
Going back I have the birth cert for Ada
25/09/1878 St Saviour
Fathers name Thomas Addison (Porter)
Mothers name Hannah Addison formerley Shelton
I then searched for a marriage for Thomas, the only one I could find was 1877 Q4 St. Saviour 1d 6
This turned out to be to Hannah Snellings
Thomas Addison 22 Bachelor (Groom) father Robert Addison (Tailor)
Hannah Snellings 27 Spinster father John Snellings (Coal Porter)

Help please, to sort this out!

Any suggestions?

Dee

what's the problem??

oops sorry, didn't read it properly.

It's Hannah's surname.


Could she have been married before???

Ada's birth cert will give Mum's maiden name


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Ada Addison
Name: Ada Addison
Year of Registration: 1878
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: St Saviour Southwark
County: London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 78 (click to see others on page)


but as the 1891 census for Ada give's Thomas' occupation as coachman/groom I suspect you have the correct marriage.

1881 Census ..... for reference

about Ada Addison
Name: Ada Addison
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Hannah
Gender: Female
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Southwark St George Martyr
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 7 Williams Place
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: London Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ada Addison 2
Hannah Addison 30
Hannah Addison
Thomas Addison 27 b.ca 1854, Lambeth, Surrye, Coachman (Dom)
Mary Cole 15


sylvia

Ada's birth cert has mother as Hannah Addison formerly Shelton, address 7 Williams Place

Dee

1901 Census

Name: Thomas Addison
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Anna
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England

Civil Parish: St George The Martyr
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: Borough Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 196
Household Members: Name Age
Anna Addison 45
Anna Addison 21
Thomas Addison 43 Carman
J Butler 50
S Butler 12



Think it all fits!



sylvia

I have Ada with a sister called Hannah c1880, so it looks ok

Dee

There is no marriage apparently listed for a Thomas Addison with a Shelton


Could whoever reported the birth of the child have simply got mama's surname wrong??



Have you thought about getting the birth certificate of another child in the family to see what that says??

There is a Hannah born ca 1881 for example.


sylvia

Can anyone help with the problem of Shelton or Snellings?

Dee

Sylvia

You could be right, father reported birth so he may of got it wrong, I will order Hannah's birth cert, see what that says.

Thanks for you help, I couldn't see the wood for the trees, I've been looking at this for several weeks now.


Thanks everyone, I'll post the results

Dee x

Have you found Hannah on a census befor eher marriage ..... ie, either the 1861 or 1871??


I have to go for a while, but I'll check back and see if anyone has found he



sylvia

There is a Hannah Snellings, grandaughter on the 1851 census.

Hannah Snelling
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Ealing, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Ealing
Town: Old Brentford
County/Island: Middlesex
Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Brentford

Emma Snelling 22
Hannah Snelling 2
Hester Snelling 53
John Snelling 55
Sophia Snelling 16

Class: HO107; Piece: 1699; Folio: 317; Page: 39; GSU roll: 193607.

Note there is an Emma on the census, and then there is this marriage between an Emma Snelling and there is a William CHELTON on the same page..

Emma Snelling
Year of Registration: 1858
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Brentford
County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 42

William Chelton on same page.

Just wondering if Emma was Hannah's mum, married a Chelton (which became Shelton).

Could she have 'made up' John Snellings coal porter?

Gail.

Gail

I think I will have to think about this one tomorrow, it's put another slant on it, thanks

Dee x

Guess what


John Snelling Grandfather on the 1851 was ...................... a Coal Porter!



seems likelier and likelier!!



Even though this Hannah is a wee bit older than it says on the later censuses.


sylvia

darn


I can't find them on the 1861!


sylvia

Just for the record, here is the marriage registration information.

Emma could have married either William Chelton OR George Worley, unless we can find proof

Marriages Mar 1858 (>99%)

CHELTON William Brentford 3a 42
Males Mary Ann Brentford 3a 42
Snelling Emma Brentford 3a 42
Worley George Brentford 3a 42



sylvia

IGI from www.familysearch.org

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
British Isles

Emma Snelling Pedigree
Female Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: John Snelling Family

Marriages:
Spouse: William Chelton Family
Marriage: 21 FEB 1858 St Mary'S, Ealing, London, England

-------------------
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:



- - - -

??? William Chelton in 1851


Name: William Chelton
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Pancras
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Regents Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 165
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Chelton 69
William Chelton 69 Carpenter
William Chelton 25 General dealer


sylvia

I wonder if this could possibly be them on the 1861 Census ... ages a wee bit wrong


1861 Census

Name: Emma Chilton
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Old Brentford, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Ealing
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Old Brentford
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Brentford
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 76
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza Chilton 8
Emma Chilton 28 Basket Maker
Emma Chilton 10 Mo
Hannah Chilton 11 b.ca 1850, Old Brentford, Middlesex
William Chilton 29 b.ca 1832, Old Brentford, Middlesex, Ag Lab


- - -

and in 1871 Census (minus Hannah)

Name: Emma Shelton
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Brentford, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Ealing
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Brentford
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Brentford
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 76
Household Members: Name Age
John Atkins 3
Sopha Atkins 35
William Atkins 40 Head
William Atkins 10
Emma Shelton 37
Emma Shelton 11
Jane Shelton 9
Mary Shelton 7
William Shelton 39 Lodger, Labourer


sylvia

Birth registration for a Hannah Snelling would fit in with the marriage for mother Emma to a Chelton/Chilton/ Shelton also birth area fits with Hannah as an Addison

Hannah Snelling
Year of Registration: 1849
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Brentford
County: Middlesex
Volume: 3
Page: 11

Probably that is where the confusion with the surname for Ada's mother comes in as Hannah would appear to have used her registered surname to marry and her mothers married name of Shelton (marriage after Hannah's birth ) to register her daughter

Sylvia

Thanks for all the time you put into this, it's certainly helped me move forward, I just couldn't get my head round it, it took me a fair time to think it through this morning.

Thank you also to Claire, Gail and Diane, if I've missed anyone, thank you to you also

Dee x