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Vivienne
Don't give up, i almost did on the wife of a mather and now i have living family from her line! It took me an age but i asked the right questions eventually and people on here found everything for me! Keep posting and keep this live!

sent off for the 1853 wigan birth cert and ill see what that has to say.. if its the right one of course with a richard as father and after that i give up on the mathers
vivienne

Vivienne

Age wasn't so important in the 1800s as it is now - people were probably only asked their age once every 10 years (for the census) and when they got married.

I always think it is best to go by the age on the earliest census you can find them on. Some of mine stay the same age for 20 years!

Also, the age on a death cert is only as good as the knowledge of the person giving it. I know my sons would not know my year of birth if asked; neither would they know my maiden name without looking it up on their birth certs!

oh well done sueS!! i have searched everywhere for that..on the m.c it only says full for both parties ages and that is how this thread started and now ive got a more consistant age for him.1852ish as in later census there is age differences and now i may be able to get the right richard that was his father..thank you ..
vivienne

a possible William in 1871....18 year old boarder at Canal St, Bootle (just up the road from Kirkdale). Born Wigan which covers Billinge and his occupation is Engine cleaner which is how engine drivers started out. What age did he give on his marriage certificate?

yes lfw thats the 1881 census for him but i dont think the one ivy has is right as there is another richard with ..ann ..as spouse in1861 when william and a joseph mather are vistor with elizabeth byron elsewhere and now im totally confused and giving up for tonight and will be back to bother you again if i dont figure all this out


but hey thanks to all of you ..vivienne...... oh and by the way william is nowhere to be found in 1871 aarggh..well i cant find him anyway but then that dont mean much!!!

A possible, given Lost For Words assistance:

Name: Richd Mather
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1803
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Billinge, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Billinge Chapel End
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Upholland
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 17
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Mather 49
Hugh Mather 17
Richd Mather 58
Richd Mather 15
Willm Mather 8

OTY - all the best

beggining to wish i couldnt read or write either ..but at least its better than my typing ...thanks for all the help girl and boys even if it didnt help i feel a lot less grumpy now
vivienne

feb 21 1879 william mather married annie kerwin residence kirkdale his father
richard mather .. deceased

her father.. robert kerwin rope maker .whom i have found .
church marriage and wittnesses jane young and thomas?young and william was a ..stoker ...but later was a fullyfledged engine driver as per 1891 and 1901 census.

- it's quite endearing, though, the vagueness that some of our ancestors adopt when encountering officialdom. I can see that the older inhabitants will start adding to their age as they get into their 80s and 90's - and 50 year olds either believing that they are as old as they feel (i.e. STILL YOUNG!), or perhaps trying to avoid ageism. And after all, the box doesn't give them the space to state that it is none of the business of the nosey state...

I suspect that secretly I admire those ancestors who didn't always give the precise true and correct answer consistently, for whatever reason

(sorry Vivienne, I know that doesn't help at the moment!)

[Ed - just seen your latest - LOL - but seriously, once you find him, you might be able to look back on it and laugh??]

thanks helen . i am now gonna throw myself off the nearest high building and hope i land on gro[who have loads of our money to no avail] or a load of clergymen who dont give the details we require.
vivienne

dont take census age as to be the right age as some were rounded down to a whole nunber some up to whole number,,plus who gave the census information may not have been the man himself and who ever just gave est guess,,,,,,,,,1901 is a little more to be belived ,but yet again often is wrong,,,

do you have their death certificates which could give a more truthful age,??

Quite often they couldnt read or write , therefore they didnt know what was being put down on their behalf.

hi ivy .. the reason i was so cross was that on the 1891 census the groom was 40 and on the 1901 he was 45 so i thought the m c would resolve the age... kind of...and in this instance i KNOW i have the right people on the census which made it even more teeth grinding ..
thanks ..vivienne..

was it civil or church wedding,??

who are the witnesses,is there a clue,,?

what exactly were you looking for or hoping to find,?

thank you both for replying to let me know im not alone on this one and i will carry on getting certs

year this one was for was 1879 lancashire

Hi Vivienne,

You're right, we ought to be much more cautious when advising. Free BMD at this address:

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/Certificates.html

simply says "some or all of the following information be may included" on the certificate.

What year was the marriage? Is it possible to cross-reference to a census to pick up the bride and groom's ages?

It may just be possible that the father's name Richard helps you to narrow this down - Richard is not quite as common a name as John and William.

Can you console yourself that you do have a little extra information? For instance, the church they married in, so that you can check whether the parish registers of that church have other information about your family?

Yours in sympathy (because I've found less and less info from marriages as I track backwards..)

Vivienne,

what year is the certificate for,,,?

this infomattion is often found on a marriage certificate,,,,,,,so no guarantees alll what you;re looking for will be on it,,,but more often than not it is,,so getting the certificate is always reccomended,,,,,,

I have just recieved the same, that is to say not every certificate can or will be succesful, don.t feel you have wasted your tine as it means there just isnt anymore information.

what no answers ?? or are they going to be on a post card!!
vivienne