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Hi Kathryn
I got in touch with Ray a few months back and he told me about Zalig and the Jewish link, though thank you for the look up you did for me in the other thread and also telling me about the other people looking for Zalig.
This started as a look up request for a birth certificate but I didn't realise they were only recorded from 1830s onwards, so it has become slightly, another census type thread without meaning it to.

Thanks every one for your help.

Hey, Lew & Couldbe. Guess what.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=993835

I did that googling a few days ago ...

And that might be how we recently found out he was Jewish ...

Nicola - Thank you so much for looking up those census! I didn't know their mother's name was Mary Ann - so again thank you for finding that information.

Lew - Also a big thank you for looking it up for me. I am in contact with Ray. Turns out his is my 2nd cousin, or something like that!

Mandy - Cheers - have got your message.

I have sent you a private message.

Good luck!

Jess, just google "Zalig Hart" and you'll find Ray Hart's details

From: "Ray Hart"
Subject: [HART-L] HART HUNTER
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:47:34 +1000

I have a some time been hunting HART family of Zalig HART. This what I have
....
Benjamin Hart married Matilda Soloman in the Great Synagogue of London 1875
His parents Zalig and Hannah, Her parent Colman Soloman
Their trades Fishmonger and Furniture Sales
Migration Sydney Australia 1883. Later to New Zealand.
Harold Hector Bernard Hart [UK ? ].......... Wellington New Zealand
Charles Henry Hart [ b UK 1878 ]............ Texas, USA
Marion Pauline Williams [ b UK 1876 ] ....... Bexley, Sydney Australia
Celestine Leonora Williams [ b ? ........ " " "
Alexander Joseph Hart [ b UK 1880 ]......... South Africa.
Gershon Leonpold Hart [ b AUST. 1883 ]......... Perth, Western Australia.
Jeanetta Julia Stockbridge [ b AUST.1886 ] .... Bexley, Sydney.
Avice Anetta Blackmore [ b AUST. 1888 ]......... Newcastle, NSW Australia.
John Robert Victor Hart [ b AUST.1890 ]........ Napier, New Zealand
Norman Cyril Alphonso Hart [ b AUST. 1900 ]..... Invercargill, New Zealand.


,,,,,,,,,

Now Benjamin's father was Zalig Hart. That comes from a copy of Benjamin's
and Matilda's marriage site. We believe that the 1881 British census has a
mis-spelling for Zalig. They have called him and a 16 year old son "Telig".

It appears that Zalig [ b1818 ] [ whose middle name was Solomon ] was the
son of Moses Hart who passed away in 1844. Moses is believed to have been
married to Elizabeth.

Zalig Solomon HART had 7 children whose names and dates of birth were ...
Moses HART [ b1846 Middlesex, St.England ]
Betsy HART [ b1847 Middlesex, St.England ]
Daniel HART [ b1850 Whitechapel,Middlesex St.England ]
Benjamin HART [ b1851 "London" ]
Rosetta HART [ b1853 Middlesex St. England ]
Zuseman HART [ b1855 ]
Lipman HART [ b1856 Middlesex St. ]

''''''''''

Daniel, mentioned above had 4 children .....
Mary HART [ b c1870 Whitechapel, Middlesex, England.
Eliza HART [ b c1875 Whitechapel, London, England.
Zalig HART [ b c1876 Whitechapel, London, England.
Marks [Morris ]HART [ b c1879 Whitechapel, London, England.

Benjamin, mentioned above was to become my Great Grandfather.

If any of the above is a help to that's great. If you have anything you
think would be of value to me I'd be delighted to hear from you.

Is this any use to you?

HART. Zalig.
In 1875 under the rites of Great Synagogue of London Benjamin Hart
[1850-1] married Matilda Solomon. His father was Zalig and according to
the wedding certificate his mother was Hannah. Zalig is believed to have
had an earlier marriage.
Benjamin was the 4th child I believe [but no real proof other than say so].
Both Zalig and Benjamin were fishmongers and were born in Aldgate and
Whitechapel.
Benjamin takes his family of Matilda and four children to Australia in
1883 and I have a sizable history on Benjamin's history.
I'm hoping there are those that can tell me more about Zaligs life,
ancestors, and family.

My best wishes to you and yours, Ray Hart
---
Sender: Ray Hart "

Regards
Lewella

1871 census ?

HART, Lipman Head M 50 London
HART, Emma Wife F 49 London
HART, Michael Son M 22 London
HART, Zalig Son M 20 London
HART, Leah Daughter F 18 London
HART, Woolf Son M 16 London
HART, Fanny Daughter F 14 London


RG number:
RG10 Piece:
519 Folio:
9 Page:
12

Registration District:
Whitechapel Sub District:
Whitechapel, North EnumerationDistrict:
12 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
St Mary Whitechapel Municipal Borough:
Address:
Love Court, St Mary Whitechapel County:
London, Middlesex

1861 census ?

HART, Zalig M In Law Married M 43 Fishmonger
Whitechapel
Middlesex
HART, Mary Ann Wife Married F 41
Aldgate
Middlesex
HART, Moses Ann Son Unmarried M 14 Shop Assistant
Aldgate
Middlesex
HANT, Elizth Daughter F 13 Scholar
Aldgate
Middlesex
HANT, Danl C Son M 11 Scholar
Whitechapel
Middlesex
HANT, Benjm Son M 10 Scholar
Whitechapel
Middlesex
HANT, Rosetta Daughter F 8 Scholar
Whitechapel
Middlesex V
HANT, Susanna Son M 6 Scholar
Whitechapel
Middlesex
HANT, Lyman Son M 5 Scholar
Whitechapel
Middlesex
SULLIVAN, Margt Servant F 49 General Servant
Cork
Ireland

Free BMD

Marriages Sep 1870

Hart Zalig London C 1c 198


Marriages Mar 1875

HART Zalig Bethnal Green 1c 488


Births Jun 1876

HART Zalig Whitechapel 1c 359


Births Mar 1893

Hart Zalig Lionel Paddington 1a 26


Marriages Jun 1902

Hart Zalig London C. 1c 73


Deaths Sep 1903

Hart Zalig 52 Poplar 1c 329

Got these off IGI -

Census - 1881 British Census

1. Zalig HART - 1881 British Census / Middlesex
Son In Law Gender: Male Birth: Whitechapel, Middlesex, England

2. Zalig HART - 1881 British Census / Middlesex
Son (Grd) Gender: Male Birth: Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England

3. Zalig HART - 1881 British Census / Middlesex
Son Gender: Male Birth: Whitechapel, Middlesex, England

Thank you Sylvia!
I didn't see your post before sending my reply. They are related, Zalig in that census was Zalig's son. Thank you for the look up though!

Thank you both.
New to this and didn't realise the recrods only went from 1837.
Recently found out he was Jewish. There any way of finding his certificate if I don't live over in the UK?
Cheers

There is also this on the 1881 Census on the Mormon site (www.familysearch.org)

They have to be related surely!!

1881 Census

Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
William STUMP Head M Male 65 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Waterman
Honor STUMP Wife M Female 60 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Monthly Nurse (S M)
Catherine STUMP Daur U Female 23 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Box Maker
Zalig HART Son In Law M Male 31 Whitechapel, Middlesex, England Baker
Honor HART Daur M Female 29 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Box Maker
Sarah HART Daur (Grd) Female 9 Bermondsey, Middlesex, England Scholar
Zalig HART Son (Grd) Male 7 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Scholar
Liphsman HART Son (Grd) Male 3 Limehouse, Middlesex, England
Catherine HART Daur (Grd) Female 1 Limehouse, Middlesex, England

-------------------
Source Information:
Dwelling 5 Rugg St
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341103
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0469 / 10
Page Number 13


sylvia

After having a google I wonder if Zalig is Jewish in which case you would need to find the synagogue records.

For instance (and I don't know if this is your Zalig).

There is this site which mentions a Zalig Hart,

http://www.jeffreymaynard.com/jcto1869.htm

London Jewish Chronicle Index to 1869

5-Feb-1869 M
On 3rd February at the Great Synagogue, Michael Joseph.............................................................................. to Elizabeth, eldest daughter of Zalig Hart of 101 Middlesex St.

Other mentions on that site.

Gail.

He won't have a birth certificate as there weren't any certificates before July 1837 when registration began.

You will need to look at parish records for the place he was born to see if you can find a baptism for him.

You could do this at the county records office for the area, or you could see if you can find a baptism for him on the IGI on the Mormon site - www.familysearch.org

If you don't live in the area, you can order filmed copies of parish records from any LDS Family History Centre for a few pounds, (addresses on www.familysearch.org).

Kath. x

Hi everyone
I'm researching my ggg grandfather. His name was Zalig Hart. He was born in Whitechapel in 1813 or Whitechapel 1818. Family records have his name as Zalig though Talig has also been used in census. If any one is able to find his birth certificate, I would be so grateful.
Thank you