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I have the discs for the 1881 census and have been checking on Henry Scott. I have found the correct family at House 1, Court 2, Short Acre Street, Walsall (Piece 2825 Folio 81 Page 26). It is as follows: Henry 36, wife Rosina 34, son Henry 11, SON JOHN 8, SON JOHN 5, son Joseph 3 plus father in law. Could anyone look at the original image to confirm whether this is correct, a mistake by IGI who produced the discs or a mistranscribed entry. Many thanks.

Hi Margaret

The entry is correct. There are 2 Johns recorded. However it looks like the older one has been written over something else, so perhaps the census enumertor made an error,

andy

I think John age 8 should be perhaps Joshua.Will look for them in 1891

Thank you for looking folks. I have known same names to be used in the same family but usually when the first one has died. This is the first time I have ever found two same names both living. I wonder how they went on - Did they shout John No. 1 and John No. 2???

Thank you Janice - would be interesting to see what comes up in the 1891.

WHAT ABOUT THIS?

1891

Registration district: Walsall
Sub-registration district: Walsall
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Household Members:

Fred Scott 15 SON bn Walsall, Staffordshire,
Henry Scott 45 HD bn Walsall, Staffordshire,
Jane Scott 24 SISTER bn Walsall, Staffordshire,
John Scott 17 SON bn Walsall, Staffordshire,
John Scott 77 FATHER bn Walsall, Staffordshire,
Joseph Scott 13 SON bn Walsall, Staffordshire,
Rose Scott 44 WI bn Walsall, Staffordshire,
Rose Scott 3 DAU bn Walsall, Staffordshire,
Tim Scott 14 SON bn Walsall, Staffordshire,

DEBS

1891
Name: Henry Scott
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Rose
Father's Name: John
Gender: Male
Where born: Walsall, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Walsall Foreign
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrews


Name: Rose Scott
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Henry
Gender: Female
Where born: Walsall, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Walsall Foreign
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrews
Town: Walsall


Name: John Scott
Age: 77
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Relation: Father
Gender: Male
Where born: Walsall, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Walsall Foreign
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrews
Town: Walsall
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Household Members: Name Age
Fred Scott 15
Henry Scott 45
Jane Scott 24
John Scott 17
John Scott 77
Joseph Scott 13
Rose Scott 44
Rose Scott 3
Tim Scott 14

Thank you very much Debra. Looks as if the John aged 5 on 1881 census should have read Fred !! How on earth did they make Fred look like John on the return. Many thanks. I will now try Freebmd and see if I can find a birth for a Fred Scott circa 1876 Walsall and if I do find it, we have cracked it. Thanks again.

Is this your family in 1891?
Name: Henry Scott
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Rose
Father's Name: John
Gender: Male
Where born: Walsall, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Walsall Foreign
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrews
Town: Walsall
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Walsall
Sub-registration district: Walsall
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Fred Scott 15
Henry Scott 45
Jane Scott 24 (sister)
John Scott 17
John Scott 77 (father)
Joseph Scott 13
Rose Scott 44
Rose Scott 3
Tim Scott 14
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2251; Folio 139; Page 57; GSU roll: 6097361.

Jean and Janice - yes that certainly appears to be then and as I said to Debra I am bamboozled as to how Fred became John on the 1881 census. However, I have been unable to find a birth for Fred Scott on freebmd. Never mind, at least the mystery of two same name siblings has been solved. Thanks again.

1901 census
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Rose
Gender: Male
Where born: Walsall, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Walsall
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Name: Rose Scott
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Henry
Gender: Female
Where born: Walsall, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Walsall
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter


Household Members: Name Age
William Dutton 19 =boarder
Elizabeth Scott 3 -grandaughter
Fred Scott 19
Henry Scott 54
James Scott 26
Rose Scott 56
Rose Scott 13

There is a James Scott born 1876 on BMD. Looking at the image it could be... Trouble is I can't find him in 1891 or a death.

Andy

image of 1891 lookslike
John 77yrs father( wid.)
jane 24 sister and Fred is ?age 10 not 15

parents marriage



Henry Scott

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Parents:
Father: John Scott Family


Marriages:
Spouse: Rosina Roberts Family
Marriage: 27 SEP 1869 Walsall, Stafford, England

This family is puzzling me to death. On 1891 census above there is a Jane Scott described as sister. I assume sister to Henry, only problem is Henry didn't have a sister Jane. Also on 1891 a Tim aged 14 who would have been 4 on 1881, trouble is no Tim on 1881. And now a James Scott aged 26 on 1901 making him born 1875/76 - is this John Scott 17 or Fred Scott 15 on the 1891? Or is he a new addition ? My mind is spinning.

could they both be John and called one Fred on census!!
Name: John Scott
Year of Registration: 1872
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Walsall
County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 646
and
Name: John Ebenezer Scott
Year of Registration: 1869
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Walsall
County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 597

Janice - thank you for confirming the marriage which I had actually got. The business of John, Fred or James is awkward to sort out, but hopefully I will get there in the end.