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Hi Gayle
If you let me have the info I may be able to look it up when I go to Chelmsford at the end of the month.

Maureen

Poor things! Thank you Reggie. Really helpful information.

G

Name: George Edward Turkentine
Year of Registration: 1901
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Colchester
County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 751


And.............

Name: George Edward Turkentine
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1901
Year of Registration: 1901
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 0
District: Colchester
County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 455

Reg

I wonder if perhaps the '5 years' may be an error.....

Name: Gertrude Alice Burch
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Year of Registration: 1884
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 0
District: Colchester
County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 289

Oddly, the only birth which is in the same district is registered after the death

Name: Gertrude Alice Burch
Year of Registration: 1884
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Colchester
County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 478


It may be that the wee girl was only a few days old, as opposed to 5 years.........and the parents didn't get round to registering the birth until later............

Reg

Ok. I have received further information from the Colchester Cemetery.

The others buried in the grave with my great-great grandparents were.

Gertrude Alice Burch
Died August 30th 1884 aged 5 years

George Edward Turkentine
Died 26th August 1901 aged 3 months

However the cemetery lady said that in those days they buried a child in an unpurchased grave and later another child on top. So they could have been anyone. However, any info anyone could find on these would be most interesting.

The two wheelers buried in the grave are Charles and Eliza's daughter Ellen Elizabeth and her husband Ethelbert Wheeler. Ellen died in 1971 aged 75 and Ethelbert in 1973 aged 85.

Would there be anyway of finding out whether they had any children? I am going to get their marriage certificate.

No, I don't. Maybe they were complete strangers.

I'm so frustrated. Ancestry won't let me pay for a month using my debit card. I did it last month but for some reason tonight when I try and subscribe they will only accept Visa/Mastercard etc, and I don't have a credit card. so annoying.

x

That's OK. I take it you have no idea who they are though?

Liz

I am so sorry. Have been really really stupid. Just re-read what the lady at Colchester said, she means there were 2 people named Wheeler buried there, 1 person named Turkentine and another person named Burch! I read it the wrong way.

Sorry!!

How about as a surname

1891 England Census
about Albert George Turkentine
Name: Albert George Turkentine
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George Ede
Mother's Name: Louisa
Gender: Male
Where born: Colchester, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Holy Trinity
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Colchester
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Colchester
Sub-registration district: Colchester First Ward
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
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Household Members:
Name Age
Albert George Turkentine 9
Arthur Edward Turkentine 15
Davey Beatrice Turkentine 9
Edith Millicent Turkentine 1
Elsie Louise Turkentine 13
Ernest Claude Turkentine 6
Frederick Chas Turkentine 17
George Ede Turkentine 39
Infant Turkentine 2 days
Louisa Turkentine 36

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about Ada E Burch
Name: Ada E Burch
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Jeremiah
Mother's Name: Hannah
Gender: Female
Where born: Colchester, Essex, England

Civil Parish: St Botolph
Ecclesiastical parish: St Botolph
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Colchester
Sub-registration district: Colchester First Ward
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
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Household Members:
Name Age
Ada E Burch 16
Hannah Burch 53
Jeremiah Burch 47
Jeremiah Burch 23

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Liz

Unfortunately the lady at the cemetery did not give me any further information on them. I thought they sounded like strange first names. Its very odd.

There are no instances on Ancestry of someone with Turkentine as a first name.

Rose

When were they buried there and what were their ages?

Rose

Whoops! Got carried away and forgot to say thank you to you two for Ethelberts details.

Gx

Thats really confusing isn't it! No Turkentine or Burch!? The lady from Colchester cemetery emailed me today she said 'Also buried in that grave are 2 people by the name of Wheeler, one person named Turkentine and one named Burch – are these relatives of yours? There is the possibility, however, that they could all be total strangers to each other.'

As I had found a marriage reference for an Ellen E Springett to Ethelbert Wheeler I guessed it was something to do with him, however its obviously not his parents. Maybe they had some children or something that died. hmmm! The plot thickens...

Here's Ethelbert P in 1901. What a wonderful name!


1901 England Census
about Ethelbert P Wheeler
Name: Ethelbert P Wheeler
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles H
Mother's Name: Rosa M
Gender: Male
Where born: Peckham, London, England

Civil Parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Antholin
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 291
Household Members:
Name Age
Agnes E Wheeler 19
Charles H Wheeler 59
Ethelbert P Wheeler 13
George A H Wheeler 7
Nelly M Wheeler 10
Norah A E Wheeler 5
Rosa E Wheeler 20
Rosa M Wheeler 42
Sidney A Wheeler 12
Stanley F J Wheeler 1
Wesley R S Wheeler 3

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This looks to be Ethelbert:

1891 England Census
about Ethelbert P Wheeler
Name: Ethelbert P Wheeler
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Chas Hy
Mother's Name: Marie R
Gender: Male
Where born: Peckham, London, England
Civil Parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Marks
Town: Peckham
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Herbert Smith 21
Agnes E Wheeler 7
Arthur R Wheeler 5
Charles G Wheeler 9
Chas Hy Wheeler 49
Ethelbert P Wheeler 3
John Wheeler 73
Marie R Wheeler 32
Nellie M Wheeler 7/12
Rosa E Wheeler 10
Sidney A Wheeler 2
Silvester W Wheeler 6

Rose

Hi

I am trying to find information on Turkentine or Burch Wheeler, from Colchester.

It turns out they share a grave at Colchester cemetery with my relatives Eliza Springett who died in 1950 and Charles Springett who died in 1926.

Eliza's daughter Ellen married an Ethelbert Wheeler in 4th quarter 1915, so it could be his parents maybe?

Is anyone able to help.

Thanks
Gayle