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Hi Ozibird
Thanks for that info regarding the adoptions. I'm not sure about the wedding record. I would like to think it is Albert and he didn't die as a baby or was adopted out. Or, as I dramatically wondered, if his mother had murdered him!
I wonder why he doesn't show up in any census records? I have tried the combinations of his many names and spellings of surnames but no luck.
I will pass all this on to Sue, who is also interested in this family, and see what she thinks.
Thanks again.
Cheers
Diane
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That's not your Albert Walter on the 1891 Kathryn B found, mistranscribed as Snow? (Walter jnr, he's the right age.)
Ozi.
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This could be a Walter + Fanny marriage:
Marriages Dec 1890
Appleton Jesse Faversham 2a 1588
Hopkins Fanny Faversham 2a 1588
Snoad Walter Faversham 2a 1588
Tumber Annie Elizabeth Faversham 2a 1588
That would make son William a child from before that marriage. It would presumably also make the marriage bigamous, if it's the same Walter Snoad -- unless Bay May Elizabeth had died before then.
The Walter Snoad referred to above was born in Faversham in 1864 and is working as a carter in 1881.
Walter Snoad born in Chelsea and 'Annie' didn't marry.
Also:
Is this your Albert by any chance?
Marriages Sep 1911
Newman Alice F Faversham 2a 2173
Packman Kate S Faversham 2a 2173
Snoad Albert Faversham 2a 2173
Uden Ernest G Faversham 2a 2173
I believe the Albert Snoad referred to above was the son of Alfred and Eliza Snoad who was living in Davington (Faversham Reg.Dist) in 1901.
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Probably nothing to do with this but I grew up in Faversham and lived opposite a family called Snoad.
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Hello Diane
some years ago there was a funeral directors in Streatham South West London Sunnyhill road i think by the name of Albert Snoad.
Don't know if its still there as i moved to Scotland some 4 years ago maybe of some help
Regards Charles
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Hi, I'm the 'Sue' who Diane refers to in her questions. Walter Edmund Snoad lived with my Gt.Gt. Grandmother, 'Annie' in Leicester and I believe fathered two of her four illegitimate children. They were living at no. 27 Devonshire Street, Leicester in 1891. I believe that Ethel and Walter shown in that census were Walter's children. No father's name is given on Ethel's birth certificate and on Walter's it says, Father: Walter Mathews formerly a groom. Annie altered the truth as Walter Snoad had died by the time of his son's birth. Walter was given the middle name of 'Edmund' as does Walter Snoad.
Births Mar 1894
Mathews Walter Edmund Leicester 7a 276
Births Dec 1890
Mathews Ethel Minnie Leicester 7a 207
Annie always gave her name as 'Annie Maria Mathews formerly Kemp'. When she married in 1900 she gave her father's name as Thomas Kemp - carpenter (deceased). I've carried out extensive research and I'm still no nearer in discovering her parentage after nearly ten years! In 1891, all three children (including my Gt.Grandfather, William Thomas (born c1883) are called 'Snoad'. In 1901, Ethel and Walter's surname is given as 'Fowkes' as Annie had recently married Joseph Fowkes whilst my Gt.Grandfather was called William Matthews. Strangely, she calls my Gt.Grandfather a 'visitor' rather than her son. He had just got married and was living there with his wife and baby son. It did cross my mind that maybe my Gt.Grandfather was indeed Albert Snoad born 1880 but in that case where was he in 1881 and why was his name changed? I also can't see any way of proving this theory.
In 1911 Annie gave Ethel and Walter their real names of 'Mathews'. In 1891, she says she was born in Middlesex (as did Walter), in 1901 she gives Leicester as her birthplace and in 1911 , 'Manchester' has been written but if you look closely you can see that 'Leicester' has been written first and then rubbed out - not very successfully! In both the earlier census she says that she was born c1863 but in 1911 she gives her birth year as 1857!!
As to the marriage in Faversham, Kent in 18901, I suspect it was between these two people:
Births Dec 1863
SNOAD Walter Faversham 2a 628
Births Mar 1863
HOPKINS Jane Fanny Faversham 2a 652
Walter Snoad (above) was a carter and Jane was in domestic service. She was staying with her brother in 1901, aged 38 and still single.
I also suspect that the groom of the marriage which took place in September Qtr.in Faversham was one of these two men:
Births Mar 1885
Snoad Albert Faversham 2a 914
Births Dec 1891
Snoad Albert Thomas Faversham 2a 845
In 1881, Walter Edmund Snoad (b.1852) and Elizabeth (nee Ravenhill) were in lodgings in Shropshire, calling themselves Walter and Mary Snook. No sign of the baby boy, Albert born the previous year. Walter was still a groom but later became a coach driver. That's why their daughter Grace was baptised in Leominster, Herefordshire but registered in Sherborne, Dorset. I think Elizabeth travelled around with Walter and gave birth to Grace in Dorset, then had her baptised in her hometown of Leominster. Grace is with her maternal grandmother in 1891 but still no sign of her brother, Albert. Elizabeth aka 'Bay' or 'May' can't be found in either the 1891 or 1901 census although we now know that she married twice, the first time in 1892, bigamously!
Annie's birth, my Gt.Grandfather's birth and the mysterious disappearance of Albert Walter C.A.R. Snoad still remain unsolved puzzles. :-( :-(
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