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Hi Brenda, with reference to the information given by Reggie about death details of Amy Jane, Toxteth Park. I did contact the department you gave me and they said they would get back to me in 48 hours, they did that, well Toxteth Park Cem did to tell me that they didn't have records on the date I was looking for so I needed to go to the Liverpool Record Office Direct. I then left it for a while as I am unable to get there with my two young children but on contacting the records office by email they said they could look it up for me without me having to go! They sent an email on the 17Th October saying I'm in a queue so I'm waiting on this information. Thanks again for helping me, I'll let you know.

Julia x

Thanks Siobhan and Joan, I never had any of this census information before! I bet you can't believe that I've been searching for this information for years, trouble with me is that I disregard a lot of information because I am unsure that the information I find is correct due to the differences in name spellings and date of births ect, it takes fab people like yourselves to unravel it!! I really am still a novis You are both fantastic, If you get any further information please let me know, I'll will print these off and show my grandad Benjamin. x

Hi Joan you are right, I've been told that the children went into care and were split up. Still reading through yours and everybodys information, Wow fantastic x

Siobhan,

Way to go--didn't think of one "t" in the name Jeannette!!

Joan

here are Janet and Thomas

Name: Jeanet Robinson
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St Gabriel
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Toxteth Park
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
Ellen Mottram 59
Rebeca Mottram 19
Thomas Mottram 61
William Mottram 35
Thomas Owens 32
Alice Rice 21
John Rise 22
Jeanet Robinson 9
Thomas Robinson 7

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Sorry just put baby down for a nap, Hi yes Brenda I have looked into the info on the Amy Jane and am waiting on information from Liverpool on that one with bated breath. I'm just going to read through the other information you all have kindly given me. Two ticks x

Julia,

I don't mean to confuse you--only give you options to think about. No records were found when I did a search for Jeannette, Janet, or Jeanette but I did find this record (again assuming the mother died in 1900). Could these be William's parents?

1901 England Census
about Jane Robinson
Name: Jane Robinson
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Andrews Houses, Durham, England

Civil parish: Lamesley
Ecclesiastical parish: Marley Hill St Cuthbert
Town: Andrews Houses
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Chester Le Street
Sub-registration district: Harraton
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 158
Household Members: Name Age
Dorothy Robinson 62
Jane Robinson 9
Ralph Robinson 64

Julia,

This probably isn't your family but it certainly is close and worth looking in to.

1901 England Census
about William Robinson
Name: William Robinson
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Tranmere, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Birkenhead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 218
Household Members: Name Age
James Parker 26
George Robinson 10
Jane Robinson 30
Jane Robinson 8
John Robinson 1
Mary Robinson 2
William Robinson 34
William Robinson 5

Here's a possibility for Ellen Robinson (assuming the mother died in 1900).

1901 England Census
about Ellen Robinson
Name: Ellen Robinson
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Preston, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Farnworth
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Farnworth
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Farnworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 374
Household Members: Name Age
Hugh Dewhurst 37
John Dewhurst 5
Mary Dewhurst 38
Mary A Dewhurst 2
Ellen Robinson 11

Does Dewhust ring a bell in your family? Or this familiy?

1901 England Census
about Ellen Robinson
Name: Ellen Robinson
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St Gabriel
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Toxteth Park
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 41
Household Members: Name Age
Mary A Hamilton 4
Ellen Robinson 12
Alice Watson 39
William Watson 44

I have Benjamin in the 1901 census, not sure if you have these

Name: Benjamin Robinson
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St Gabriel
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Toxteth Park
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary E Mottram 28
Thomas Mottram 29
Thomas J Mottram 1
Benjamin Robinson 4

Julia,

I found your great grandfather, Benjamin. living with his uncle Thomas Mottram and his wife Mary on the 1901 Census in Toxeth Park, Lancashire. It appears that the family was split up.

Joan

I'm afraid my family history stops at William Robinson's father also William Robinson a Labourer on his wedding cert in1886, but do not know his mothers name or siblings sorry. Is there anymore information you would like?

Julia,

I found a Richard and Ellen Robinson residing in Tranmere in 1891. It listed Richard's occupation as a mariner--is this any relation to your William Robinson?

Joan

I don't have a middle name for him sorry, I do know that William and Ann Jane had five children:

ELLEN VALENTINE (NELLIE) 14/02/1889 - Birkenhead, Tranmere - reg 13/03/1889- Mother Ann Jane Robinson formerly Mottram - address 1 Cobden Street, Tranmere - Father William Robinson - Ships Steward

WILLIAM (No info found)

JANET (JEANETTE) 12/05/1891 - Toxteth Park, Liverpool - reg 29/06/1891 - Mother Ann Jane Robinson formerly Mottram - address 115 Grafton Street, Toxteth Park, Liverpool - Father William Robinson - Ships Steward

BENJAMIN (My Great Grandad) 3/10/1896 - Toxteth Park, Liverpool - reg 18/01/1897 -Mother Ann Jane Robinson formerly Mottram - Father William Robinson - Ships Steward
SDRI W Robinson 33 Essex Street, Toxteth Park.

THOMAS (No info found)

The story goes that Ann Jane died in or after childbirth after hearing that william had gone missing whilst working at sea around 1900 to 1906 ish. I've have found William and family on the 1891 Census, William being from North Shields, Durham - Born 1863. But unable to locate him on any other Census (very strange!!). Have also been unable to locate Ann Janes death details although am waiting on that info from liverpool - may be down as Amy Jane - 1900 Toxteth Park. Sorry this has baffled me for years!! Hope this helps x

Julia,

Do you have any other information regarding William Robinson such as a middle name, name of children? Did he stay in U.S. prior to death? I found a record for a William Robinson, inmate at San Quentin, CA state prison. I checked the 1900 and 1910 US census for William and Ann Robinson. Did he and Ann travel together with their children?

Joan

Thank you very much for your help Sophie (Sophie is also my daughters name!) I'll keep looking x

Yes! he did sail between those dates, I've been unable to locate him on any ship, have him down as a ships steward on his wedding cert in 1886 and onwards on his childrens birth certificates, he is said to have died at sea around 1900 to 1906 give or take both ways.

Great Great Grandad William Robinson
Date of Birth: 1863
Wife: Ann Jane Robinson (Nee Mottram)
Title: Ships Steward
Sailing from: Liverpool and Birkenhead
Destination: America, possibly San Fransisco.
Last date located: 18/01/1897
Last known address: 33 Essex Street, Toxteth Park

Hope this helps, if you need any more information please let me know x Thank You x

Thanks for that! I'll give Ellis Island a try, I have tried Ancestry and Ships List but unable to find him (may be doing something wrong) He sailed from Liverpool/Birkenhead to america but unfortunatly don't know the ships name!

Thanks again x

Have you searched the passenger lists on Ancestry or Ellis Island, if it's America you are interested in. Also Ships Lists has passenger lists for Australia and USA.

Please could anybody direct me to a good researcher I could pay to search the passenger lists in Kew? I'm at such a dead end and with a seven month old and toddler in tow it's impossible for me to travel such a distance.

Thank you x