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Member Since: July 2004 Posts: 33,475 Send Message	GlitterBaby	Report	19 Oct 2007 17:55
	Cyber bet only as I am skint LOL Maureen
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Member Since: September 2007 Posts: 1,553 Send Message	Debbie	Report	19 Oct 2007 17:45
	lol , laying bets on it now deb , thanks to all
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23,482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	19 Oct 2007 17:29
	Yes, Debbie it should have her maiden name as well as her previous married name. I'm betting on the Mary Wood that Glitter found. The one who married Joseph Orton. Margaret
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: September 2007 Posts: 1,553 Send Message	Debbie	Report	19 Oct 2007 17:08
	think I am going to have to Maureen , its so confusing lol will still have marys maiden name wont it as well as the HORTON &SANDALL wont it deb
Member Since: July 2004 Posts: 33,475 Send Message	GlitterBaby	Report	19 Oct 2007 17:05
	Get the John Sandal marriage cert first as this was a later event. Maureen
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Member Since: September 2007 Posts: 1,553 Send Message	Debbie	Report	19 Oct 2007 17:04
	So I still need to find the marriage of Joseph to Mary , what ever her name was , any clues
Member Since: July 2004 Posts: 33,475 Send Message	GlitterBaby	Report	19 Oct 2007 17:03
	Still think you are going to have get the marriage cert to John Sandall or the birth certs for one of the children to solve this one. The children that Mary had while married to John are still related. Maureen
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Member Since: September 2007 Posts: 1,553 Send Message	Debbie	Report	19 Oct 2007 17:03
	that could be him Margret , is polesworth far from Baddesley Ensor , thats where itsays he was born in the '82 census ! deb
Member Since: September 2007 Posts: 1,553 Send Message	Debbie	Report	19 Oct 2007 17:00
	Margret The Hortons are nothing to do with my family , if you look at the 1891 census John Sandall is my gt grandfather , it's only Mary Horton in the 1881 that belongs to me as she later married John . But trying to trace her (mary) maiden name thru the marriage to Joseph Horton as that will or should lead to her parents who are my gt gt grandparents , its complicated I know deb x
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23,482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	19 Oct 2007 16:59
	So, could this be him? 1861 census Polesworth, Warwickshire William Orton, head, 34, coal miner Amy, wife, 34 Joseph, son, 14, coal miner Mark, son, 12, coal miner Phillip, son, 9, scholar Peter, son, 8, scholar Ann, dau, 5 Henry, son, 3 Edmund, son, 1 All born Polesworth.
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: July 2004 Posts: 33,475 Send Message	GlitterBaby	Report	19 Oct 2007 16:55
	Debbie, You said in your pm to me that Mary did marry John Sandal so I think you are going to have to get the cert. Maureen
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Member Since: July 2004 Posts: 33,475 Send Message	GlitterBaby	Report	19 Oct 2007 16:54
	Hi Margaret, Its the only ones that I can come up with especially as they could sound the same LOL Maureen
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Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23,482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	19 Oct 2007 16:53
	I got a chuckle out of the last 2 that you posted, Glitter! Orton! Sounds like my dear grandad talking, he always dropped his H's.
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: July 2004 Posts: 33,475 Send Message	GlitterBaby	Report	19 Oct 2007 16:47
	Births Jun 1869 (>99%) Orton Benjamin Atherstone 6d 368
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Member Since: July 2004 Posts: 33,475 Send Message	GlitterBaby	Report	19 Oct 2007 16:37
	Mad guess time Marriages Mar 1868 (>99%) Cooper George Atherstone 6d 357 Miller Eliza Atherstone 6d 357 Orten Joseph Atherstone 6d 357 Wood Mary Atherstone 6d 357 Maureen
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Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23,482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	19 Oct 2007 16:30
	Debbie, you said in your pm that the family that I found in 1871 is not yours. Is that simply because he gave a different place of birth? His age matches, he's a coal miner, his wife Mary's age matches, even the son Benjamin matches, They're living in Baddesley Ensor and Mary and Benjamin were born there. I'm sure it's the same family. Margaret
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: September 2007 Posts: 1,553 Send Message	Debbie	Report	19 Oct 2007 16:24
	that could be the marriage but why birmingham???
Member Since: July 2004 Posts: 33,475 Send Message	GlitterBaby	Report	19 Oct 2007 15:30
	1891 does not help as looks like Joseph has died Name: Lavinia Horton Age: 16 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875 Relation: Stepdaughter Mother's Name: Mary Gender: Female Where born: Baddesley, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Atherstone Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Atherstone County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View Image Registration district: Atherstone Sub-registration district: Atherstone ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alice F Horton 8 Benjamin Horton 22 Edith A Horton 11 Lavinia Horton 16 Mary E Horton 18 Arthur J H Sandal 1 John Sandal 29 Mary Sandal 44 Michael Wood 33 If this is the marriage I wonder why in Birmingham and not Atherstone Reg Dist? Marriages Jun 1889 (>99%) Hill Martha Birmingham 6d 159 HORTON Mary Birmingham 6d 159 Sandal John Birmingham 6d 159 WOOD William Birmingham 6d 159
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Member Since: November 2002 Posts: 2,999 Send Message	Sue C	Report	19 Oct 2007 15:27
	I have searched all addresses in the village of Baddesley Ensor on Findmypast 1861. I couldn't see any Hortons living there at this time.
Member Since: July 2004 Posts: 33,475 Send Message	GlitterBaby	Report	19 Oct 2007 15:17
	Births Mar 1867 (>99%) Spooner Joseph Michael Atherstone 6d 402 Just posting this while I have a look at something Maureen UPDATED that theory does not work !!!
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