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could someone be so kind to look these 2 families up for me on the 1871 census and the one below on the 1861and house hold members please

mary ann nee smith born 1834 winmarliegh (st helens garstang) married henry marsden in dec1858
garstang and

hannah nee smith born 1838 as above married in garstang to henry raby in december 1862 thank you tracy

Have you got the cert for the marriage between Henry and Hannah?

Reg

This could be Henry and Mary Ann in the 1871 census (place of birth seems to fit):-

Name: Henry Marsden
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Winmarleigh, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Cabus
Ecclesiastical parish: Garstang
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: Master Joiner employing two men

Condition as to marriage: Married

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Garstang
Sub-registration district: Garstang
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 25
Household Members: Name Age

John Greenhalgh 16
Henry Marsden 62
Henry Marsden 20
John Marsden 3
Mary A Marsden 36
Robert Marsden 28
Isabella Robinson 13

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4227; Folio: 22; Page: 5; GSU roll: 846963.

hi kath

just checked in my tree to see where henry was born and it says winmarliegh, so i dont think its the right family, but thank you for looking

tracy

hi kath

yes thats the right one, i have her as a widow in 1881 employing 2 men as jioners!! thank you so much for that.
tracy

hi reg

no, i havent got as for as getting a cert yet.

tracy

No luck with the Raby pair in a census as yet....but is this Hannah's death?

Name: Hannah Raby
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Year of Registration: 1872
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 33
District: Ulverston
County: Cumbria, Lancashire
Volume: 8e
Page: 485


And Henry with second wife etc in 1881?

Name: Henry Raby
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Forton, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Barrow in Furness
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 140 Cavendish St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Lab

Registration district: Barrow In Furness
Sub-registration district: Barrow In Furness
ED, institution, or vessel: 8c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Andrew Raby 16
Annie Raby 15
Henry Raby 42
Mary Raby 37
Mary Raby 3
Richard Raby 9
Robert H. Raby 1

Reg

hi kath

its not the raby im looking for, he was born in garstang in 1839 and worked as a labourer in the steelworks

tracy

I'll delete the wrong family so it doesn't confuse anyone.

Kath. x

Possibly Henry's second marriage?

Mary Littler 1876 Jan-Feb-Mar Preston Lancashire
Henry Raby 1876 Jan-Feb-Mar Preston Lancashire


His wife Mary on 1881 gives her birthplace as Fleetwood

Reg

hi kath
sorry im not sure if thats hannahs death as i havent got that far with this family, but i will bear that in mind.
thank you
tracy

Could this be them in 1871?

Andrew Rutz
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Garsburg, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Dalton
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Barrow
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Ulverston
Sub-registration district: Dalton
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 27
Household Members: Name Age
Andrew Rutz 1
Ann Rutz 3
Hannah Rutz 30
Henry Rutz 32
Margret Rutz 8
James Smith 11



James Smith is listed as son

just checking image....

hi reg,

it could well be as fleetwood isnt too far away from garstang/winmarleigh, but i will have to do a bit more research on that.

thank you
tracy :-)

hi angela

it could well be, the spelling is unbelieveable ha ha ... what relationship is james smith to them as hannahs older brother was james smith could he be her nephew?

tracy

Tracy

I've looked at the image & it looks like Raby to me

(I updated my previous message to say James Smith was 'son')

Angela

ps address looks like Crellin (?) street

pps Henry is labourer in steelworks

hi angela

thank you so much for that, maybe he was born out of wedlock, will look it up.

tracy

Andrew's age is actually 6 on the image, so the family Reg found in 1881 would be the same ones.

Angela

Is this James in 1861? Hannah is a servant elsewhere:

James Smith
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Winmarleigh, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Winmarleigh
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Garstang
Sub-registration district: Garstang
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 33
Household Members: Name Age
John Bamber 45
Ann Smith 55
James Smith 1
Richard Smith 14

hi angela
yes, richard is hannahs younger brother born 1846 ... that is a great help thank you again :-)
tracy

just like to say a big thank you to kath, reggie and angela, you've been a great help!!!!!

tracy