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I am really stuck and desperate, can someone point me in the right direction.
I have the birth certificate of my Gt grandmother Rebecca Johnson b1890 in Tong, Bradford. Her mother is shown as Catherine Johnson formerly Willmore b1870 Padbury, father is William, profession joiner/journeyman, b 1865 Northamptonshire
In 1881 Catherine was living in Saddleworth with her father, 1890 her daughter was born in Tong, and in 1891 she is with her family in Cartworth.Yorksshire.
There is no image on Ancestry of a marriage between Catherine and William, a lady at Bradford Records office looked at the parish records of Tong for me between 1886 and 1890 and there is no marriage there.
Without a name of Williams father I cannot take this any futher back, as there are many William Johnson's b1865 Northampton.
Could there be a record of his apprenticeship somewhere, but I dont know where he did it and I dont have him definately on the 1881 ot earlier.
Help needed please
Ann

for info on the 1891
Rebecca and her dad William are living with Edward Wilmore the grandfather no sign of Catherine.William is described as SIL.

Name: Rebecca Johnson
Age: 6/12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Bradford, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Cartworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Holmfirth Holy Trinity
Town: Cartworth
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Huddersfield
Sub-registration district: Holmfirth
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Rebecca Johnson 6/12
William Johnson 27
Edward Willmore 47
Kate Willmore 20

UNLESS Kate is Catherine but why described as Wilmore

Could the Kate Willmore on the 1891 be Catherine and they didn't marry until after this date but named the daughter in the father's name.

Christine

Hi Shirley
Kate Willmore is Catherine, and the image actually says Kate Johnson, yes this is my family and on this census he is a general labourer, but by 1901 they are in Lancashire and he is a joiner/journeyman

Ann

cant see a marriage tho, sorry

Shirley

I cant imagine they would say on the 1891 they were married if they werent as her father was there. Most odd.
Any ideas on the apprenticeship?

Ann

In 1901 William states Long Buckby as where born, so, Here's your William in 1871

Name: William Johnson
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Son
Father's name: Thomas
Mother's name: Caroline
Gender: Male
Where born: Long Buckby, Northamptonshire, England

Civil parish: Long Buckby
Ecclesiastical parish: Peterborough
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Daventry
Sub-registration district: Long Buckby
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 91
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Johnson 1
Caroline Johnson 45
Charles Johnson 14
Frank Johnson 10
Harry Johnson 9
James Johnson 18
Kate Johnson 16
Thomas Johnson 51
William Johnson 6

1871
Name: William Johnson
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Caroline
Gender: Male
Where born: Long Buckby, Northamptonshire, England

Civil Parish: Long Buckby
Ecclesiastical parish: Peterborough
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Daventry
Sub-registration district: Long Buckby
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 91
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Johnson 1
Caroline Johnson 45
Charles Johnson 14
Frank Johnson 10
Harry Johnson 9
James Johnson 18
Kate Johnson 16
Thomas Johnson 51
William Johnson 6




1901
Name: William Johnson
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Catherine
Gender: Male
Where born: Long Buckby, Northamptonshire, England

Civil Parish: Norden
Ecclesiastical parish: Norden St Paul
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Rochdale
Sub-registration district: Spotland Further Side
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 72
Household Members: Name Age
Catherine Johnson 30
Edward Johnson 4
Fredrick Johnson 8
Matilda Johnson 6
Rebecca Johnson 10
Sarah Johnson 2
William Johnson 36




June x

Hi Carrie
I have seen this William and have followed him down through the census and he is not mine, I wish it were that easy.

Ann

Hi June
Yes the 1901 one is him, but not the 1871.
I followed that route for over a year only to find out he wasnt mine.

Ann

1881 what abt this one Joiner
Name: William Johnson
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Towcester, Northamptonshire, England

Civil Parish: Aston
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address: 71 White Rd
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: House Joiner

Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Deritend
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Dinah Hill 48
Elizabeth Hill 75
Emma J. Hill 16
Florence E. Hill 5
George A. Hill 8
Joseph Hill 14
Mary E. Hill 10
Thomas Hill 45
Thomas H. Hill 12
William Johnson 18



June x

Hi June
I havent followed him through, he could be a poss. I am not dure how far Long Buckby is from Towcester.
I will check him out, to see if I can see hwo he marries and if I can find him on later census.
Thanks for your help, sometimes another pair of eyes sees something different.
Its odd being stcuk with him, as I have all my other braches much futher back ( there is always one isnt there)
Ann