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Henry Carpenter c1880 married to Florence Vickers 1880 Swindon, I have no information on Henry apart from he might have been born in Risca, but Florence Vickers born in Swindon, its her father (my gg grandfather that i am interested in as he was entrusted with undertaking of lining King Edward VII's coffin.

he was the private 'Carpenter' in the household of the Duke and Duchess of Teck and used to fix young Mary's dollies, he was also resposible for the interior of Queen Victoria's royal carriage (train)

Born on a canal barge but where i don't know although at the age of 11 he started his apprenticeship as a 'carpenter'

any help would be greatful...alas i don't know his name only known as grampa vickers

Have you not found Florences marriage? If you buy her marriage cert it will give her fathers name and occupation and you can work from there.

unfortunately i haven't found it yet

I cant see a Florence born in Swindon (but it is past bed time) However, going on intuition, I looked at the image for this one, born in Kew (due to areas royal connections) - father is shown as a railway coach finisher, bro is a joiner. Ill look back see if I can find a better match.

Name: Florence A. Vickers
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Tom
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Female
Where born: Kew, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Mortlake
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address: Sheen Lane
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Richmond
Sub-registration district: Mortlake
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Vickers 22
Florence A. Vickers
James Vickers 21
Susanah Vickers 11
Tom Vickers 26

Free BMD:
Henry James Carpenter married Florence Annie Vickers Mar. Q, 1903, Swindon. (5a 52)

Seems Florence in the 1901 may well be right girl then with that middle initial.

1901:

Name: Tom Vickers
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Bawtry, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Swindon
Ecclesiastical parish: Swindon St Mark
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Swindon
Sub-registration district: Swindon
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 217
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Vickers 42
Florence A Vickers 20
Tom Vickers 46

Free BMD:

Florence Annie Vickers b.June qtr 1880 - Richmond s, which include Kew

I think the Wilts thing must have been a bad memory by a rellie??So assuming we have right girl and father - we can look for Tom (you MUST get the certificates to follow the line backwards though, otherwise its not proven info)

1891:

Name: Tom Vickers
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Doncaster, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Barnes
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Barnes
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Richmond
Sub-registration district: Mortlake
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Vickers 32
Florence A Vickers 10
Tom Vickers 35
William A Vickers 8

Henry and Florence were my grandmother's parents, i know about the swindon connection because Henry worked on the trains, my nan's sister wrote a manuscript of their childhood 'cow on the line' it describes how life was in swindon in the early 1900's
it describes in the book all about Tom Vickers (thanks for all the help with getting his name) being a carpenter for royal's and how Florence died in 1916 of consumption and had 6 children all born in swindon, Edna May 1914 being one of them (my nan)

Well, I guess in 1901 Tom had gone down to Swindon to work on train coach finishing again (see 1901 above) and thats why your relatives believed she had been born there but in fact she was born in posh Kew.

This looks like young Tom and family in Yorkshire. He is shown as journeyman joiner (can someone check the image on that please as he seems young for the job)


1871:
Name: Tom Vickers
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Susanna
Gender: Male
Where born: Doncaster, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Sutton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Sculcoates
Sub-registration district: Sutton
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 222
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Vickers 13
James Vickers 43
James Vickers 11
Mary A Vickers 5
Matthew G Vickers 9
Susanna Vickers 43
Susanna Vickers 1
Tom Vickers 16
William Vickers 18

Tom did start his apprenticeship to carpentry at the age of 11 so this may be the one

Looks like it then. Sorry, eyes closing, have to get to bed.

You can use freebmd.org to find his birth ref and send off for his birth cert which will give parents names. Or some kind soul may still be up to help.

thanks everyone for your kind help and advice this has put me back on track

many thanks