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Thank you crougar I am sure that you have uncovered the right line in Matt, & Dan! also that is my grandparents marriage details I have the marriage certi.

you have been a good help

regards
Vivien

Hi Vera
I think that you may have the correct one's thank you so much

Regards
Vivien

it may not be a second amrriage of course ...................



william and Mary Scully may have decided to wait a number of eyars before getting married!



That's not unusual!




sylvia

????? James birth registration?

Births Sep 1878 (>99%)

Frazer James Hexham 10b 287

What date/place was the marriage? is it William Frazer to Mary Sculley?
pls
Vivien

Thank you all thats given me a few leads to check
Vivien

vera,


that's quite correct ...... and the money sin't refundable either!



sylvia

1881 Census

??????



Name: William Frazer
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Maryport, Cumberland, England

Civil Parish: Prudhoe
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street address: West Wylam
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Coal-Miner

Registration district: Hexham
Sub-registration district: Bywell
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Catherine Frazer 2 weeks b.ca 1881, Ovington
James Frazer 3 b.ca 1878, Ovington
Mary Frazer 24 b.ca 1857, Stanley, Durham
William Frazer 24
John Ritson 38 Lodger

Address:- West Wylane (??), Prudhoe




sylvia

Hi Vivien,
Because of the 100 year rule, we can't see the 1911 census until 2011/2012 .
Unless you have an actual address...but then it costs I think about £40.!!!!!!

I think I have got that right.


Regards Vera

if the 1889 marriage is correct .. it does look like a second marriage as Kate was born in 1881 and James in 1879


Ellen Frazer 7 b.ca 1884
James Frazer 12 b.ca 1879
Kate Frazer 10 b.ca 1881
Mary Frazer 33
Samuel Frazer 4 b.ca 1887
William Frazer 34
William Frazer 1 b.ca 1890




sylvia

1911 census will not be released in full until January 2012, although a small amount may be released early.

Kath. x

Hi Vivien,
Maybe this might help...

Local History Librarian,
Queens Hall,Beaumont Street,
Hexham. NE46
01434652488

They might be able to give you some info., on the workhouse.

Regards Vera

Hi Kathleen
not sure I was thinking William & Mary from Workington, but don't have anything to base that on! as gran's birth June 1901 don't suppose that you have access to 1911 cencus?

thanks
Vivien

Vivien,

it's difficult for us to tell you much more.


The latest census that we can see is the 1901.

The 1911 census will be released for viewing and use around January 2012 (there is a 100 year rule on releasing the information).


so we don't really have anywhere to look to see if she was in an orphanage or not.



and the names of her siblings are difficult .......it looks as though Mattie is a shortening for somehting, but what (???Matilda), same with Jack, Dan and Jimmy. But of course it is not necessarily so, as they could have been named with the shortened version!



sylvia

Hi,

Marriages Dec 1889 (>99%)
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Frazer William Hexham 10b 507
Hogg John Hexham 10b 507
Ridley Hannah Hexham 10b 507
Sculley Mary Hexham 10b 507

Regards Vera

maybe not!

1891 Census

Name: William Frazer
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Maryport, Cumberland, England

Civil Parish: Prudhoe
Ecclesiastical parish: Prudhoe
Town: West Wylam
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Registration district: Hexham
Sub-registration district: Bywell
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Frazer 7
James Frazer 12
Kate Frazer 10
Mary Frazer 33
Samuel Frazer 4
William Frazer 34
William Frazer 1


sylvia

Hi Sylvia,
I found a marriage .....Sculley with an 'e'

Regards Vera

I saw that second listing and it looks almost as if Mary is William's second wife

................... except I can't find a marriage for a William Frazer to a Mary Scully


sylvia

Hi Vivien,

Is this your family in 1901?

William Frazer
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Workington, Cumberland, England

Civil Parish: Prudhoe
Ecclesiastical parish: Prudhoe
Town: West Wylam
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Hexham
Sub-registration district: Bywell
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 259
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Frazer 9
Ellen Frazer 18
James Frazer 23
Jonathan Frazer 7
Mary Frazer 44
Samuel Frazer 15
William Frazer 45
William Frazer 12


Regards Vera

This could possibly be your grandmother's parents in the 1901 census:-

Name: Mary Jane Frazer
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Hetham

Civil Parish: Hexham
Ecclesiastical parish: Hexham
Town: Hexham
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Hexham
Sub-registration district: Hexham
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 4
Household Members: Name Age

Jane Hedley Frazer 1 - daughter
Mary Jane Frazer 29
William Frazer 29
John Hedley 23 - brother in law

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4824; Folio: 22; Page: 2

UPDATE - This may be the wrong family as it looks as if this Mary's maiden name is Hedley and not Sculley (because of brother in law's name and daughter's middle name).

Kath. x