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Hi Richard
Thank you for taking the trouble to look for me, shame but then I thought that may be the case.
Love Janice xxx

Hi Janice

I had a look for his grave this afternoon but unfortunately there's no headstone - sorry!

Regards
Richard

Hi Richard
I have downloaded the form and filled it in ready to send along and order the certificate.
Alison if you can locate any further information at the Library it would be much appreciated, he died in a motor bike accident and it would be good to know more about this if any information can be located.
I hope when I order this certificate the age does not cause confusion?
Thank you all again
Love Janice xx

Hi Richard
Yes, I would love you to look at Karrakatta Cemetery and see if there is any information?
It would be good to know and it would good to see his grave although I cannot see that happening in the near future for me.
Then you never know your luck.

Alison, Apologies to you I called you Valerie, obviously losing it here!
Clarence Parkins must be him, but the birth you located in England is not him, as he was born Just Clarence and no Middle name or anything.
He was born 1902/3, he is not on the census of 1901 it is just his Parents & siblings.
I can understand that they may have added the S and they seem to have go his age and date of birth mixed up somehow?
Thank you again everyone.

Love Janice xx

Hi Janice

I'm sure that the death reference that Alison found above is the right one for your man, despite the "s" on the end of the surname. WA deaths are online up to 1936, and that ref is the only one for a Clarence Parkin(s) in WA at all. Given that the year matches with that stated on the Clarence Parkin burial in Karrakatta Cemetery (1928), then I would say it is the right one.

You can order the death cert via this site: http://www.justice.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/default.aspx . Select deaths in the dropdown box then enter the name and click on search. This will bring up the one record that Alison found above. At the end of the ref is a link titled "order" - click on this and it brings up a partially completed form that you can print off and send away. Well worth getting the cert as they usually contain a wealth of information (much better than the UK ones!). Cost is $30 which is about £12.

By the way, I drive past Karrakatta Cemetery regularly - if you like I can have a quick look to see if there's a headstone or not.

Cheers
Richard

Hello Everyone.
Richard, I think you are right and the record recording his age as 75 should read 25, it all makes sense now.
Paul, yes it does say his age on List of Passengers he is stated as being 20 years of age and I know the address is his, it is the same address where my Mother was born.
40 Roundwell Road,
Hightown.
Liversedge

Which is Yorkshire.

The date of 1923 also fits in as he went to say Goodbye to my Mam at school when she was a little girl, she was born 1915 so would be aged 8 years then, so that fits too.

So Valerie got the right man too, just the age that threw me.

On the Parents they were Nathan Parkin & Mary Jane Parkin nee Riley and the authorities must have known that and where they lived as they were notified and received his watch which was sent to them with other small personal possessions.

Valerie the man you have found is not the right one I am afraid, Clarence was just Clarence born 1902/3 at Hightown, Liversedge registered in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire.

The man supposedly aged 75 years is definately my Great Uncle Clarence, THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.

I will try and get his death certificate if I can?

Love Janice xxxxx

Hi Paul

The burial record comes from the cemetery's burial register - I suspect that it could have been mistranscribed in this case, as of course the originals would have been the old hand-written ledgers. Janice - the contact details for the cemetery are on the website (www.mcb.wa.gov.au) - why not contact them and ask if they can check the original register entry for you?

I also can find no record of a Clarence Parkin born c1853 in UK - certainly not on FreeBMD or on any census, anyway. This lends weight to the theory that the age is wrong on the burial record of this Clarence!

Richard

Janice, there could be a simple explanation for all this. You say that you are 100% certain that the passenger on the Hobsons Bay is your man because the address given matches your records. This is certainly hard to fault.

The record of the person who died in Carnamah seems to be a perfect match except for the age. Supposing, then, that this information has simply been transcribed from a grave. It would be very easy to mistake 25 for 75 on a weathered headstone.

UPDATE - SNAP, RICHARD! I SPENT TOO LONG THINKING ABOUT IT AND YOU BEAT ME TO IT!

The Database of Carnamah's Past Residents would have got the information from the same erroneous source. I think we need to find out where the information came from because I see no record of a Clarence Parkin born c1853 on any census.

Does the passenger list of the Hobsons Bay give his age? If it says he was 20 that would be sufficient proof in my opinion that the death record was wrong because the death record is matched to that passenger list.

Hi Janice

Something is wrong somewhere!!

I found this via Google - a short biography on the Clarence Parkin who came to Perth in 1923

http://www.rootsweb.com/~auschs/ca27.html
Database of Carnamah's Past Residents
=============================
Clarence PARKIN
Born C.1853
Labourer in England
Departed London, England on the Hobsons Bay and arrived in Fremantle, Western Australia on 13 April 1923
Resided in Carnamah in 1928
Died 3 October 1928; buried Karrakatta Cemetery, Perth WA (Anglican, VC, 348)


However, checking the sources for the above, these are based on the burial record (as found by Valerie above) and the passenger arrival list of the Hobsons Bay. It does however seem a bit odd that a 70-year-old labourer would be emigrating to Australia! I'm wondering whether the burial record has an error on the age for Clarence? I wonder if it was supposed to be 25 rather than 75? That would make more sense - i.e. he emigrated at age 20 in 1923 and died 5 years later. He's certainly the only Clarence Parkin in WA for that time period so I think that it's quite possible.

Incidentally you can check the burial record here: http://www.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/search.php

... and if you think that it's a possible for your Clarence, you can order the death cert here: http://www.justice.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/default.aspx . Incidentally, the WA death certs give loads of info - possibly even his parents names if they were known by the informant.

You could also ask the Perth library if they could check for any obituary for Clarence, since you have the date of death. If it was an accident then doubtless this would have been mentioned in the local paper. Info on the library here: http://www.liswa.wa.gov.au/refserv.html

Cheers
Richard

Hi Valerie
I am struggling here to get through to where you have looked?
Will try again though, Thank You
Janice x

Hi Janice, 'Google' will show you the 'Names & Locations' site -which gives burial/ cemetery details. (to present day). That is where I found the only other (elderly) 'Clarence'.

Hi Janice, The WA State Library will check passenger arrivals - and then follow them up on electoral rolls etc. They also have newspaper death records from 'outback' areas - so it would be well worth making contact with them. (query form on-line) Valerie

Hi Paul
I really am not sure Paul, in the colume alongside each person's name it states SIdney,Melbourne, Adelaide and Freemantle, this to say's that the particular person is going to that place, whether it be Sidney or Whatever?
At the side of Clarence it gives Fremantle?
On the cover document it gives Fremantle as his Port of Destination.
Valerie
I googled and got the site you mention but deaths do not appear to be on line past the date of his arrival?
Unless I am doing something wrong?
Thank you Both
Janice x

Janice, the way I read it, the ship's destination was Fremantle but Clarence's intention was to continue on to Tasmania. Therefore I think that's where you should be looking, not Fremantle.

Hi Janice, 'Google' will have The West Australian State Library. The librarians are very helpful. Valerie (450km south of Perth)

Hi Valerie
Thank you once again for your reply.
I have located the record of him being on board the ship Hobsons bay with date of departure 13th may 1923.
Departed London Destination Fremantle which is written alongside his name oin the record.
It is definately him as his address is given and I know the address to be that of my Grandmother.
Each pasenger as a Port named where they plan to land and the far colume gives Country of Intended Future Permanent Residence:This Colume gives Australia which is ditto all the way down to half way and then TASMANIA AUSTRALIA appears and below is ditto for rest of page?
Do not understand that, but then guess Australia will?
You mention the WA State Library having information how do I contact them?

Thank you
Janice x

thanks Janice. The WA State Library will have something on your Clarence -especially if he died in an accident -they also have shipping/ passenger arrivals up to1923 - so do give them a try -when you're able to. Valerie

Valerie
Thank you for your reply and trouble, unfortunately that is not my Clarence, he was only 20 years of age in 1923 when he went to Western Australia.
He would still be in his 20s when he died as he was not there long.
I am not going to be around to check the board for the next 24 hours or so as I am going to Edinburgh for my Aunts Funeral.
Thank you for looking though all help appreciated.
Janice x

Hi Janice I checked 'Names & Locations' (on-line) - saw this: Clarence Parkin of Carnamah d 3/10/928 age 75yrs. Karrakata cemetery section VC gravesite 0348 - expired. The West Australian State library has an 'Ask a Librarian' service - query form on-line. They will check their records - including newspaper notices for you. Carnamah is a small agricultural township - 308km north of Perth Valerie WA (450km south of Perth)

Can anyone Please help find the death of Clarence Parkin who emigrated to Australia March 1923 and died there in a accident not too long after his arrival?
I have searched for two years now, but never knew exactly when he went or where he went too until tonight.
He was the son of Nathan Parkin & Mary Jane Riley.
Any help greatly appreciated.
Janice in England.