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Hi,Looking for info on Robert Fowler my gt grandfather and his parents.I have Robert on census 1871 to 1901. He was born Liverpool in 1842 according to death cert which says he was 71 in 1913 but don't know exact date of birth.According to his 1st marriage to Sarah Stanwix in 1862 the cert says he was living in Burlington St Liverpool and occupation,baker. His wife was living in nearby Vauxhall Rd.In all the census after his marriage he was ship painter at the docks.His father also Robert was a coachman.I found a Robert Fowler on the 1851 census aged 41 and a cabdriver. He was at a lodging house and if this was his father I couldn't find his mother,Robert or any siblings if any.Robert's 1st wife died of typhoid in 1869 leaving him with 3 children.They were christened at St Peter's ,Church St. and lived in that area.He married again in 1870 to Maria Maloy and had a 2nd family of children.On this marriage cert. his father Robert is down as a car driver.I would love to find out about Roberts life before his marriage and of any info at all about his parents and siblings.Hoping that someone may be able to help in any way. Thank you. Mary

Is this the one in 1871?

Name: Robert Fowler
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Maria
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Dale Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 37
Household Members: Name Age
Maria Fowler 24
Mary Fowler 6
Robert Fowler 26
Thomas Fowler 4

Reg

Hi Mary,

1841 census
Name: Robt Fowler
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Liverpool
Hundred: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Mount Pleasant
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robt Fowler 30 coachman
Sarah Fowler 20
Sarah Fowler 2

Have also found him on the 1851.....but so far have not found either Sarah.

Regards Vera

Hi,
Yes this the same one.
Mary

Hi Vera, I cann't belive the quick reply When I found Robert on the 1851 census it took me days of of searching the census pages and big headaches. Sarah my Gt grandmother would not be on any census as she married Robert June 1862 and died 1869 before the 1871 census.
Thanks Mary

Hi Mary,
On the 1841 census I think this is your Robert's (born 1842).... parents.

Or am I getting confused.

Regards Vera

Hi Mary,

I am presuming this is your Roberts father....
1851 The one you found

1851 England Census

Name: Robert Fowler
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Liverpool
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 1b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 182
Household Members: Name Age
James Carefal 73
John Carefal 26
William Cray 35
Catherine Cunninghan 40
Elizabeth Delaney 80
Robert Fowler 41 cab driver
William McArmitt 26
William S Train 31


Regards Vera

Hi Vera,
Yes .I suppose this could could be Roberts Parents and a sister. I found on the baptisms for st peters church a family Robert and Sarah Fowler and children
Richard bapt 1835
Sarah bapt 1839
Edward bapt 1841
Robert Andrew bapt 1842
I did not know if this was my gt grandfather with

having the name Andrew as well. I will have to search the births and see if there is just Robert Fowler or Robert Andrew Fowler reg in 1842
Mary

Hi Vera Yes that is the same 1851 census.
Sorry I'm slow but not into computers or keyboards and I type with one finger.
Mary

Hi Mary.

Could be your Robert, unfortunately the only way to find out is to send for the birth certificate....of course it could be the wrong one.....


Births Mar 1842 (>99%)

Fowler Robert Liverpool 20 482

Am looking for Edwards

Regards Vera

Mary,

There are two Edward Fowlers....born after the 1841 census....

Births Jun Qtr 1841 (>99%)

Fowler Edward Liverpool 20 423
Fowler Edward Liverpool 20 425

Will check Ancestry...

Regards Vera

UPDATE


Having checked the BMD'S on Ancestry
There is only one Edward Fowler and it is the Volume 20 Page 425

Mary,

Don't worry we are both doing OK....no need to rush things :-))

Regards Vera

Hi Vera,

This could be Robert when I had a look at this family before I found a death of Edward in June 1841.

How will the certificate tell me that I have got the right Robert?

Thanks... Mary :-)

Hi Mary,
It will tell you both his parents names, his mothers maiden name and also the occupation of his father.

Regards Vera

Hi Mary,

Have found a marriage

Robert Fowler to a Sarah Hartley
27 Apr 1835 St Peters Church Street, Liverpool.

Regards Vera

Hi Vera,

Thank you that's fantastic.

Do you have any ideas why Robert can't be found on the 51 & 61 census?

I've looked many times at the 51 & 61 census images and I've drawn blanks every time.

Mary

Good question Mary...I cannot find him ( the one born in 1842) either.

Maybe his mum Sarah died and he was living with someone else and they got the name wrong....I am babbling..sorry :-)

Will have another look....you never know.

Regards Vera

Hi Mary,

Had another look....no luck...sorry.

Regards Vera

Hi,
Thanks for trying again. you have helped a lot. I will get my son to send for the birth certificate for me.If I look for a death cert for Sarah his mother Is the only way to know if it is the right one by sending for all the deaths registered. If the marriage you found is the right one perhaps I might find Rober on the earlier census under the hartley family.
mary