Find Ancestors

You people are truly amazing! Sylvia and Paul.
There is a William Victor, William Frederick and William Richard in direct line for my fathers side. Paul thank you so much for the long list of them in Richmond.
Off to do some retail therapy in Manchester today but back to it tonight. I'll have to relook at all this info then. Thank you all again
Di

There were a lot of Stanfords born in Richmond: Here's a checklist.

Albert Edward Stanford 1907 Oct-Nov-Dec
Alice Stanford 1870 Jan-Feb-Mar
Alice Stanford 1894 Jan-Feb-Mar
Amy Stanford 1886 Jul-Aug-Sep
Annie Stanford 1861 Oct-Nov-Dec
Annie R Stanford 1866 Jan-Feb-Mar
Arthur Stanford 1863 Jul-Aug-Sep
Charles Stanford 1858 Apr-May-Jun
Charles Stanford 1876 Apr-May-Jun
Charles Edward Stanford 1869 Apr-May-Jun
Charles Henry Stanford 1879 Apr-May-Jun
Christine Ellen F Stanford 1910 Jan-Feb-Mar
Edward Stanford 1843 Jul-Aug-Sep
Edward Stanford 1869 Oct-Nov-Dec
Edward Stanford 1874 Jul-Aug-Sep
Edward William Stanford 1899 Jul-Aug-Sep
Elizabeth Stanford 1862 Oct-Nov-Dec
Elizabeth Stanford 1865 Jul-Aug-Sep
Elizabeth Eleanor Stanford 1860 Apr-May-Jun
Emily Alice Stanford 1865 Jul-Aug-Sep
Fanny Matilda Stanford 1872 Jul-Aug-Sep
Frances Daisy Stanford 1886 Jan-Feb-Mar
Frederick Stanford 1899 Jan-Feb-Mar
Frederick H Stanford 1866 Jan-Feb-Mar
George Edward Stanford 1870 Oct-Nov-Dec
George Henry Stanford 1872 Jan-Feb-Mar
Gladys Edith Stanford 1905 Jul-Aug-Sep
Gordon Douglas Stanford 1890 Oct-Nov-Dec
Grace Annie M Stanford 1894 Jul-Aug-Sep
Harry Elliott Stanford 1904 Oct-Nov-Dec
Hilda Amy Stanford 1888 Apr-May-Jun
James Richard Stanford 1884 Oct-Nov-Dec
Leonard Arthur C Stanford 1903 Oct-Nov-Dec
Lily Agnes M Stanford 1883 Oct-Nov-Dec
Louisa Stanford 1858 Apr-May-Jun
Margaret Stanford 1846 Jul-Aug-Sep
Marjorie Gwendolen Stanford 1899 Jul-Aug-Sep
Mary Amelia Stanford 1850 Apr-May-Jun
Mary Ann Stanford 1860 Apr-May-Jun
Maurice George Stanford 1907 Apr-May-Jun
May Kathleen L Stanford 1902 Apr-May-Jun
Minnie Eliza Stanford 1882 Jan-Feb-Mar
Percy Harold Stanford 1898 Apr-May-Jun
Phyllis Lilian Stanford 1902 Jan-Feb-Mar
Phyllis Lillian Stanford 1902 Jan-Feb-Mar
Reginald Edward Stanford 1899 Oct-Nov-Dec
Richard John Stanford 1863 Jul-Aug-Sep
Richard William Stanford 1848 Jul-Aug-Sep
Robert Stanford 1841 Apr-May-Jun
Robert George Stanford 1869 Jan-Feb-Mar
Robert George Stanford 1896 Apr-May-Jun
Sarah Stanford 1867 Oct-Nov-Dec
Susan Stanford 1868 Jan-Feb-Mar
Violet Marguerite Stanford 1888 Jan-Feb-Mar
William Arthur G Stanford 1906 Oct-Nov-Dec
William Frederick Stanford 1839 Jul-Aug-Sep
William Joseph Stanford 1867 Jul-Aug-Sep
William Richard Stanford 1864 Oct-Nov-Dec
William Victor Stanford 1897 Jul-Aug-Sep

Couldn't Harry be short for Harold or Henry or Harvey?

Did Harry have a twin?

Name: Minnie Eliza Stanford
Year of Registration: 1882
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Richmond Sry
County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 380

And who's this?

Name: Lily Agnes M Stanford
Year of Registration: 1883
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Richmond Sry
County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 370

Name: James Richard Stanford
Year of Registration: 1884
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Richmond Sry
County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 385

From IGI on the Mormon site:-


Lilly Stanford - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female
Birth: 21 SEP 1884
Christening: 06 SEP 1891 Richmond, Surrey, England


Francis Daisy Stanford - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female
Birth: 09 JAN 1886
Christening: 06 SEP 1891 Richmond, Surrey, England


Violet Margaret Stanford - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female
Birth: 28 FEB 1888
Christening: 06 SEP 1891 Richmond, Surrey, England


SUSAN STANFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female
Christening: 13 MAR 1868 Saint Mary Magdalen, Richmond, Surrey, England
(Father William Stanford, mother Anne)
??her death
Deaths Mar 1871 (>99%)
Stanford Susan 2 Richmond, S. 2a 199


GEORGE HENRY STANFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male
Christening: 15 MAR 1872 Saint Mary Magdalen, Richmond, Surrey, England


EDWARD STANFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male
Christening: 17 JUL 1874 Saint Mary Magdalen, Richmond, Surrey, England


ALICE STANFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female
Christening: 04 MAR 1870 Saint Mary Magdalen, Richmond, Surrey, England


WILLIAM RICHARD STANFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male
Christening: 04 NOV 1864 Saint Mary Magdalen, Richmond, Surrey, England



BUT still NO Har(r)y B!!!

Possible birth for father William?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Births Sep 1839 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Stanford William Frederick Richmond 4 342


Sylvia

In view of Harry's second name, I wonder if this is the marriage registration for his parents?


Marriages Mar 1863 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

BLOOMFIELD Anne Richmond S 2a 287
STANFORD William Richmond S. 2a 287

Richmond S = Richmond Surrey

- - -
The following are birth registrations for Richmnond Surrey for the children shown on the 1891 census ............. all except Har(r)y B!!!!


William R's birth?

Births Dec 1864 (99%)

Stanford William Richard Richmond S 2a 247


Annie R??

Births Mar 1866 (>99%)

STANFORD Annie R Richmond S 2a 275


Alice??

Births Mar 1870 (>99%)

Stanford Alice Richmond, S. 2a 329


George??

Births Mar 1872 (>99%)

STANFORD George Henry Richmond, S. 2a 335


Edward??

Births Sep 1874 (>99%)

Stanford Edward Richmond 2a 317


Charles??

Births Jun 1876 (>99%)

STANFORD Charles Richmond Sry 2a 331


Lily??

Births Dec 1883 (>99%)

STANFORD Lily Agnes M Richmond, S. 2a 370


Daily???

Births Mar 1886 (>99%)

STANFORD Frances Daisy Richmond S 2a 389


Violet??

Births Mar 1888 (>99%)

STANFORD Violet Marguerite Richmond S 2a 393

- - - -
1901 census

Name: William Stanford
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Annie
Gender: Male
Where born: Richmond, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Richmond
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary and St Matthias
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Richmond
Sub-registration district: Richmond
ED, institution, or vessel: 6

Household schedule number: 29
Household Members: Name Age
Annie Stanford 56 b.ca 1845, Richmond, Dairywoman (working at home)
Dasie Stanford 15 b.ca 1886, Richmond, Scholar
Lilly Stanford 19 b.ca 1882, Richmond, Bookeeper (Dairy) (working at home)
William Stanford 62 Dairyman (Milk), Employer (working at home)


Sylvia (in Canada)

OK I can't keep up with you, you're too quick for me!!!
I had got the census with his details when aged 9 but no definite birth or death dates as yet. Marriage to Alice Maude Parr in Richmond Surrey Sept 1899.
Di

You have really got me excited now as I have so much information from you. I need to make notes and follow everything up. Thanks again
Di

1891: Have you found this?

Name: Hary B Stanford
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation: Son
Father's name: William F
Mother's name: Annie
Gender: Male
Where born: Richmond, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Richmond
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Richmond
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Richmond
Sub-registration district: Richmond
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William F Stanford 50
William R Stanford 25
Alice Stanford 21
Annie Stanford 44
Annie R Stanford 24
Charles Stanford 15
Daily Stanford 4
Edward Stanford 17
George H Stanford 19
Hary B Stanford 9
Lilly Stanford 6
Violet Stanford 3
Mary Jackson 20

I found this -
"The limber boxes serving to carry the tools of the wheeler and collar maker”.

So your man was a wheelwright as the collar maker made the harness for the horses to pull the gun carriage of the field cannon & the wheelwright to keep the gun carriage wheels in good order.


Update: & this -
Trade, Proficiency & Skill at Arms Badges,1900 to approx 1960 (British Army Badges)
Badge of the "wheeler" or wheelwright could be worn by many ranks up to wheeler major and later by pattern makers, shipwrights, carriage & wagon repairers as well as wood turners & machinists. Shown in white metal and embroidered.

Ozibird
Thank you for all this info. I'm always amazed at the responses from GR members and their kindness to those of us who don't know where to look.
I have looked on a site by Kevin Asplin who has a lot to do with the Boer War but can't find anything as yet. I've emailed hants.gov.uk to ask if they have any further info.
Di

I've just found this bit of info.

.... the usual period of service of a man joining the army in the late Victorian period was 7 years with the Colours (i.e. a full time soldier) and 5 years with the Reserve (i.e. reverted to civilian employment but liable to be recalled for army service in time of war).

.....if ..... your man had completed his 7 years with the Colours and had entered the
Reserve and like many others would have been recalled for the Boer War providing he was still in his 5 year period with the Reserve. In this case he would have kept his original number and rejoined his original regiment which technically he hadn't left while in the Reserve. .....

I think wheeler meant wheelwright which in the field artillery was a very important job.

No, conscription didn't start until 1916 although there was talk of it in 1901.
The Boer War was on at the time but he may have just joined the regular army. The 49th was a regular division.

He may not have had permission to marry so that is why his wife & child lived off barracks.

Ozzibird
Thank you. I wondered whether there was National Service at the time or whether he had signed up for a particular war. He was married and lived away from his wife and 1 year old son in the 1901 census. I can't find any other info on him at the mo. The census states he was a 'wheeler' but don't know what that entailed.
Di

Here's a little bit of info from Hantsweb.

Liepzig Barracks, Ewshott Common
Date of construction 1903 (So it was just a hut in 1901!!)

Named in commemoration of the Battle of Leipzig on 18 October 1813, known as the 'Battle of the Nations'. An Allied army of Austrian, Russian and Prussian troops and one British Artillery unit - the 2nd Rocket Troop, defeated the French Army commanded by Napoleon.

Leipzig Barracks, in Ewshot, were built in 1903 for a Brigade (now Regiment) of the Royal Field Artillery.

Now Demolished.

A family member Harry Blomfield Stanford is on the 1901 census as being in the RS Hut Barracks Ewshot, Hampshire along with lots of other young men. Can anyone shed a light on what they were doing there and the likelihood of them seeing any action please.
Thanks
Di
I've just re-read what I've written. No jokes please.