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Thanks, i'll look into these soon!

Hi, Nicola One other small piece of information: On IGI, Thomas Kimbrey married Maria Smith 22 Oct 1832 in Abingdon. These could conceivably be parents or grandparents of your ancestor. You will need other Censuses or Parish Records for later dates to check for children or siblings. Regards Stan

Thought you might be interested in this bit of info I found on IGI 28/5/1803 Charles Gover married Jane Marlow in Shinfield, Berks. 27/4/1806 they had their sons William and Thomas christened. Think it's quite possible that either William or Thomas was your James's Dad?

Hi, Nicola I think the people are probably right. If you are concerned, you could start with the birth certificate of George: Apr-Jun 1891, Gover, George William F., Abingdon 2c 285 This should tell you if the third initial stands for Francis as you believe. However, if there are no other Govers in Abingdon, I think you should be fairly safe. Best wishes Stan

WOW- thanks Stan! I'm still trying to take in all the information that you wrote! Is it very likely that this Susan Kimbert/Kimbrey is actually my Sarah Kimberly? I'm still a bit puzzled by it all! Thanks again for your hard work for me, Nicola

Stan, That's amazing, be warned......I'll be contacting you with my own stumbling blocks!!!! Emma.

Hi, Ian I was puzzled by this one. The Kimberley name set me off on a wild goose chase. FreeBMD is not very complete for the early 1850's births. On '1837' there was no Kimberley with the name Susan in the time period I searched initially (Jan 1852 to Jul 1853). However, my search did eventually reveal the correct name, which is Kimbrey, as I'll explain, so you can follow the method yourself in future. First of all I noticed that James Gover was James W Gover on the 1901 Census. He was easy to check. He was born in Shinfield, Berkshire. In 1891 he was 39, so I checked '1837' for 1851, and found; Jul-Sep 1851, Gover, James William, Wokingham VI 308. I checked Genuki to confirm that Shinfield was then in the Wokingham Registration District. There was only one marriage of a James William Gover on FreeBMD before the eldest son had to be born (by 1880): Jan-Mar 1876, Marylebone 1a 884. Choice of bride was Mary Ann Court or Susan Kimbrey. The latter was a close match to the name you had, so likely. I double checked with '1837' only to find that they had the name as Susan Kimbert (for the right index reference), underneath a marrriage of Sarah Ann Kimbert (Oxford 3a 758). I began to wonder whether there could be another marriage not on FreeBMD (which is not complete). After checking all years 1867 to 1880 in '1837', there was only one James William Gover marriage, the one I had found. I then checked births for KIM again on '1837', going further into 1853, and found: Oct-Dec 1853, Kimbrey, Susan, Abingdon 2c 221. In this case, the FreeBMD transcriber of the marriage record had been right, and the typist who produced the Registrar General's record scanned into '1837' had been wrong! As a further check, I looked for the eldest son on '1837', and found straight away: Jul-Sep 1879, Gover, James Arthur, Abingdon 2c 292. These references, assuming I've not made any silly blunders, will give you a marriage certificate and three birth certificates. You can order these on line at: http://www(.)col(.)statistics(.)gov(.)uk/ If the Family History Centre is run by the LDS Church, I don't think you can get certificates through them. You can get them from the Registrar at the office that now holds the local records for the place where an event took place, as well as from the central record store (which is actually in Southport). Best wishes in your search. By the way, the 1891 address was 'Gaol Yard'. Looking at the other jobs there, nearly everyone was shifting corn, or the women making clothes, as Susan did, so the old gaol must have become a mill and clothing factory. Stan

Nicola, If you can't find the index on any of the free sites and you're willing to pay (if you've got a rough idea of the year the costs aren't too high) you could always search for the index on the 1837online site. If you find the index there you can order it direct from the site. Emma.

To order a certificate you need to know in which Quarter (ie March, June, September or December) of which year the event took place. If you can also find the reg. no, folio and page, that makes it much cheaper. You need to try the IGI on the Family Search site, or FreeBMD, to look for the record of her birth. BMD will give all the information you need toorder the cert. Jan.

Susie and Emma, It looks like you have both found the same family, and it looks like it could be the one i'm searching for, because as the oldest listed is 22, older ones may have flown the nest, as she had 11 children, and at least one died. There is a George N F Gover listed, which is a good sign as she had a son called George Francis Gover! Thanks a lot for the look ups! How can i find out who Sarah's parents were from this info, as i know her maiden name and her fathers job. would i be able to order a birth certificate for her from the info that you've supplied for me? I've never actually ordered any certificates, but would like to. Would i be able to order some from my local Family History Centre, as i've never been there either?! Nicola

ian ive found these james gover 39 susan gover 38 james gover 11 thomas gover 9 charles gover 8 george n f gover 1m 8 good? yard abingdon oxford are they the ones susie

Nicola, Susan Gover was born in Abingdon - interestingly one of her sons James 22 on the 1901 census is an army pensioner. The family are in Leamington Priors. It might be worth trying to eliminate these just incase. The Govers on the 1901 census are: James 50 Susan 48 James 22 Thomas 19 Charles 17 George 9 John 6 Wilham 4 Obviously without looking I can't see their relationship to each other. On the 1891 census they are: James Susan James Thomas Charles George N F Gover 1month. If you'd like a copy of the schedule for the 1891 email me and I'll forward it to you. Emma.

I really don't know! The only information i have is from my Grandma, who lived with her Grandma (Sarah Kimberley who then became a Gover) because her mother died giving birth to her, and her father was in the army and went on to marry someone else (her father was George Francis Gover, one of Sarah's 11 children). My Grandma recalls Sarah saying (my gma can't remember which) that she either lived or was born in Abingdon, (either Berks. or Oxfordshire. She cannot remember Sarah's husbands name, because he died before she was born (1919). Thanks for the help. Nicola

Ian, I've checked on the 1891 census and can't find anything. Do you know Sarah's husband's name? The closest I could find is Susan Gover and husband James, by the 1901 census they are in Warwickshire. Is there any chance that this is them? Emma.

I'm having problems finding my ancestors on my grandma's side as i don't have much information to use, but here goes: Sarah Gover (nee Kimberley) born either Berkshire or Oxfordshire, approx 1865 (+/- 10 years) married a Gover. She was of 17 children and had 11 children herself, including a George Francis Gover and a little girl called Lily who died when she was 6. Her father was a Tanner. She had a sister called Bessie. I know that this is not much information, but i cannot find her on the 1901 census or the 1881 census, so i'll keep trying diferent combinations. Thanks very much if anyone manages a look up for me. Nicola

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