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I know for definate that my paternal grandmother's maiden name was Elizabeth M Rudd. On my dads birth certificate it says Elizabeth Mary Rudd but on her marriage certificate it says Elizabeth Maud Rudd. Her age on the marriage certificate is given as 19 and that was in July 1918. I have checked on 1837 and found some possible birth records - one in Tamworth in 1899 and one in Hendon inthe same year. However when I look at the 1901 census records I cant find either of them. The only other information I have about her is that she was married in Pembroke and that her fathers name was Robert Rudd. Can anyone help or suggest anything. I did order a birth cert. for an Elizabeth Rudd born in Whitehaven which also matched on dates but she had no fathers name listed and I know her father existed as he was a witness at her marriage.

Any help would be really appreciated, I've been looking at this for weeks and I cant work it out, I've been getting on fine with other branches of the tree but this one is stumping me! Thanks Jeanette

Jeanette, Together on the 1901 census for Southwick Durham there is Elizabeth Rudd 2 born Durham Southwick Ethel Rudd 4 born Durham Southwick Jane Rudd 26 born Durham Biddick Robert Rudd 25 coal miner hewer Yorkshire Brotton Could this be your family? Judith

Wow ! Thanks Judith, that all matches up with dates and fathers name. Why cant I find that one on the 1837 birth records? Any ideas? Is Tamworth near Durham ? I realy appreciate the effort on this, I guess I can always start looking for the marriage of Robert and Jane and skip Elizabeths birth certificate - is that allowed ?

Should I just order both certificates and hope that one has the corect fathers name ?

Hi Jeanette I wouldn't skip Elizabeths birth cert as it'll have her mothers maiden name on it and it'll make it easier to find her parents Marriage cert. save you so much time too. Order the birth cert nearest to the durham 1901 census find. All the best & much happiness Debi

Jeanette - Whoa - stop. Tamworth and Hendon aren't the right districts for someone born in Southwick. Southwick is in Durham - specifically Sunderland RD, and is Vol 10a. From GRO on 1837 online - the only Elizabeth Rudd birth registered 10a between Jan 1898 and June 1899. (And yes I know that Maud/Mary has become Ann!!!) Name: Rudd, Elizabeth Ann Record Type: Births Quarter: December Year: 1898 District: Sunderland County: Durham Volume: 10a Page: 709 Jools

Thanks again for the responses everyone, I am inclined to believe (hope) that the Durham family of Rudd's is the right family. However I have trawled through 1871 on a few occassions now and cannot find an Elizabeth Rudd of an appropriate age born in Durham. I've got a Wigan, a Camberwell, a Hendon and a Tamworth that could possibly be right. Should I try looking a couple of years earlier for the older sister Ethel and see what I find for that one? I'm really stumped.

Jeanette - More for you. Found them on the 1901 census using the decoder - all in the same household. Elizabeth Rudd 2 Durham Southwick Durham Southwick Ethel Rudd 4 Durham Southwick Durham Southwick Jane Rudd 26 Durham Biddick Durham Southwick Robert Rudd 25 Yorkshire Brotton Durham Southwick Coal Miner Hewer Did you get my email about Elizabeth's birth certificate?? Jools

Dear Jools Thanks, I did get your email. How do I get a copy of the certificate and why cant I find it on the 1871 site ? Sorry if I'm being thick!

Sorry Jools I see who I was being thik now, didnt look at Elizabeth Ann's, still confused through who can a middle name change from Ann, to Maud to Mary. Should I assume that this is the correct family, or blow my credit card and order everyone that looks possible !

Jeanette, What is the father's occupation on the marriage cert? Crista

Jeanette I have looked as well I would go with the Elizabeth Ann Sunderland its the right district for the ones in the census. Also Ethel June qtr 1897 Sunderland 10a 696. At least she got her first name right, I've had them were they leave out their first names that makes it even harder. Irene

This is getting sillier and sillier. Quite by chance whilst looking for 2 yr old rudds on the 1901 census I have found a family that fits but the child is called Eliza Mary, living in Pembroke (which is where she should be) with a father called Robert, who is a builders mason, which is also his occupation on the wedding certificate. Looked through the 1870 birth records and guess what, cant find it, is there any reason why it wouldnt be listed ? Thanks everyone.

Jeanette - the family on the 1901 census you refer to are Edith Rudd 22 Haverfordwest Pembrokeshire Pembroke St Mary Pembroke Eliza Rudd 2 Morriston Swansea Glam Pembroke St Mary Pembroke Elizabeth Rudd 22 St Marys Pembroke Pembroke St Mary Pembroke Mangle Robert Rudd 22 St Marys Pembroke Pembroke St Mary Pembroke Builders Mason Sarah Rudd 63 Monkton Pembroke Pembroke St Mary Pembroke Bottle Washer Wine & Spirit It seems odd that there are three people all age 22 - I would suggest you pay to look on the 1901 census site and see exactly what relationship they all are to each other and who is single or married. It is possible that an age has been mistranscribed. Saved on my computer I have all the pages for Rudd births registered between January 1891 to June 1899 - I will have a look and see what comes up which is possible. Will email you off board. Jools

Thanks - Jools this is a nightmare !

Jeanette - have emailed you - the nightmare continues - in fact it gets even more confusing. Jools