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I am researching Joseph Wilkinson b.abt 1833 in Nottingham for a friend. On the 1881 census we find him living at 8 Sewerby St, Bridlington, East Riding of Yorkshire, England. Joseph in 1881 is a General Dealer. He married Elizabeth b.abt. 1842( Bridlington). Children Jane Elizabeth b.abt 1860: Mary b.abt 1866 Bridlington: Sarah Jane b.abt 1869: Robert b.abt 1871 Bridlington: George b.abt 1973: Selina b.abt 1876 and Thomas b.abt. 1881 Bridlington. I am trying to find Joseph's parents/siblings in Nottingham. What makes this research interesting is that I also have Wilkinsons in my tree and I am on genesreunited. My Wilkinsons come from Gateshead and Newcastle in Northumberland, England as well as Ireland. Dont know if this is of any help. Regards, Doreen

Notts 1851 Piece 2127 Folio556 House 227, Main Street Bulwell Samuel Wilkinson Head 28, Lime Kiln Worker Harriett Wife 29 Richard Son 4 Elizabeth Dau 4m All b Bulwell. Another snippet Rebecca Wilkinson married Ambrose Bradbury 10.1.1843 at Bulwell. She appears at John/Sarahs house in 1851 as Rebecca Bradbury 23yrs

Thanks, Robin Received baptisms - thanks. One thing is puzzling me with the Richard and Mary baptisms. If Richard was born in1801 then those first two children, Mary and Richard can't be his, can they? And their Richard was a farmer not wheelwright and parish clerk. Don't tell me there are two Richard and Marys. Must be. Trying hard to connect the Stouts and Hepworths - it's there somwhere. I have found a John Hepworth marrying a Mary Stout in 1777 Bulwell and would love her to be Samuel's sister but can't find any evidence of this. He named his daughter Mary Hepworth for a reason. Looks as though the Stouts were an incestuous lot. A Samuel Wilkinson definitely married that Harriet and going by the years it must have been Richard and Mary's son because their first child was born in 1849 named Richard. They then had Elizabeth and Samuel. Too many people with the same first name. Sorry - correct details - John and Bertha Wilkinson had a child in 1900 named Richard Hepworth Wilkinson. Getting confused now and there's no food in the house so have to do the boring shopping. Regards, Tricia

I cannot find your John/Bertham (Wilkinson? Hepworth?) George Wilkinson married Jane Ball at Bulwll 9.7.1857 Christenings 7.12.1859 Herbert George, 15.3.1864 Charles Ball,20.12.18166 Anne Edith.

Good afternoon Patricia John Wilkinson married Sarah Stout Bulwell 27.3.1825 Richard Wilkinson Married Mary Hepworth Stout at Bulwell 4.2.1824 and 25.12.1820 Nottm St Marys. I cannot expalin that yet but Hepworth is spelt the same way on both my records . Samuel Stout married Mary Chamberlain 9.1.1797 at Bulwell and among their children are Sarah and Mary Hepworth. A Samuel Wilkinson married Harriett Jennison at Greasley 21.6.1846. I'm not sure if this is the marriage you were looking for but if it is ,the Jennison family owned half of Bulwell at that time and I have a lot of old maps with their properties on it. I have e mailed you and will check out the other queries.

More problems. Found John 1805 married Sarah Stout in 1825 but also brother Richard marrying Mary Hepworth Stout - these are sisters. However Richard married her twice according to LDS 25/12/1820 Saint Mary Nottingham to Mary Hepworth Stout 4/2/1821 Bulwell to Mary Epworth Stout ??????????????? Run away and hide, Robin

Good morning, Robin. 2 minutes ago there was a message from you re fish and chips -now it has disappeared! Don't send yourself mental sending all those births - there are millions. A couple of marriages would be great, though, if you have the time. John Wilkinson born 1805 may have married a Sarah??? First child born1825 - then had another 10 including Wiliam Ball. He was son to John and Ann. Also did Samuel born 1817 marry Harriet? First child born 1849 or is this the Samuel born in 1822?? - more likely. I've gone from the sublime to the ridiculous - Fron ancestors with only one descendant down the ages to this lot - talk about rabbits! I'v found a child called Richard Hepworth born 1900 to John Francie and Bertha but haven't traced John yet. These are mine. too. John was a schoolmaster. I can see which branch I got my brains from now. Last marriage: George Wilkinson to Jane?? 1st child born 1859 - also had one called Charles Ball. George may have been child of John & Sarah above. Won't bother you for any more cos I'm still tempted to buy Notts Marriage Index now I have found so many relatives. Lovely sunny day down here in Surrey, Best wishes, Tricia

Now you are just showing off, young man. Send that again after a couple of pints. And, yes,I always go for the full monty. Now all you have to do is find the Houghton marriage and I'll put you up for a knighthood. Better half has just made risotto so I'll clear off for now. Regards, Tricia

Glad you spotted the deliberate mistake. A bit more for you to think about. The Ann you mentioned in 1841 "living with Thomas" is actually on the next page number with John, who is the head of the household both aged 65. They are with a George aged 21. It seems that they are probably next door on Main Street, to Thomas/Mary. However you are right about Ann being mother of Thomas. There are ten christenings listed to John/Ann between 1801 and 1823. These two are the interesting ones, Richard 6.1.1801 is the eldest and Thomas Ball 5.2.1815 is another, in other words the two you have been checking are brothers. All the other names run through both families and if you need them, give me a shout.By the way, searching this lot took me passed half my wife's rellies again, so I had a double check for free. And it gets better.a John Wilkinson married Ann Ball at Bulwell 27.5.1800. There is also a John Wilkinson, christened at Bulwell 28.1.1776, parents Richard/Hannah, which fits his 1841 age.I cannot find one for Ann in Bulwell, but there are two possibles at Greasley and Hucknall, both next door. After a bit more digging A Richard Wilkinson married Hannah Ward at Bulwell 11.5.1767 Children christened to a couple of that name are Sarah 9.7.1769, Henry 30.4.1771 Joshua 4.3.1773, John above and 10.12.1780, William, all at Bulwell .Agin all these names are later repeated in Richard and Thomas's families. Eyestrain requires a pint. Cheers Trish, and get back if you need the full monty.

Thank you for all that hard work - now confirms the correct family. Hope you don't mind a challenge - none of my branches have been easy and a lot of my ancestors died quite young without issue or with issue that then died. Especially in Bulwell where I have lost three in one family to T.B. about the same time as the 2 Wilkinson deaths. I'll send for the certs now and see if there was an epidemic in Bulwell at that time! I notice that Herbert and Henry aged 11 and 15 are not living with big brother in 1861 - maybe they succumbed as well. Certainly can't prove their existence on 1881. As for that marriage between Thomas and Mary Houghton - this is also a mystery made worse by your 1861 discovery of Mary's birthplace as Nuttall - the only Mary Houghton from there that I can find was married to John Taft in 1833. There is a family of Houghtons in Bulwell,however, recorded on LDS with 7 children including a Mary and Ann and three boys called George -more deaths??Parents are Luke Houghton and Elizabeth Harwood.This would make 'Auntie Ann' about 45 on that 1861 census. But, like you, I can't find their marriage and it just misses 1837 so can't send for certs. Now, I know you're testing me so I'll substitute Joseph for the last two Thomas' you mention above. Time for a gin and dash of tonic and a quick toast to my genealogy hero!!! Many thanks, Tricia P.S. Do you know the significance of 'Ball' in Thomas' name - I have noticed this in several people's names.

Notts 1861 Piece 2441 Folio 49 152 Quarries Joseph Wilkinson, Head, UnMarr. 21 yrs Stone Mason b Bulwell Sarah Sister 8 Yrs b Bulwell Samuel Brother 2 Yrs b Bulwell Ann Houghton Aunt (?)5 Yrs Servant b Bulwell This is the only Joseph Wilkinson in Bulwell in 1861. His Aunt is called Houghton which is Joseph's middle name and presumably his mother's maiden name although I have not found the marriage. Joseph is the head of the household looking after two young siblings which implies the parents death. If the two deaths I gave you are correct , this census would be within a few weeks of the burials. In 1861 Richard/Mary Wilkinson are 60 and 58, They have four adult unmarried children with them, the youngest being 24yrs. There are a large number of christening listed to them but the last one is 1841. There is no Samuel or Sarah and age counts at least Samuel out. Providing that your Thomas stayed in Bulwell it seems to me that Thomas/Mary are his parents and that the deceased 18 yr old Thomas is the son of Richard/Mary. I certainly don't dread seeing your name but know there is challenge coming!. All the best .Robin

Thanks, Robin. That looks a bit disastrous - I'll send for the death certificates and find out what happened. Could you look for family of Richard and Mary Wilkinson on 1851 and 1861,please, because I still don't really know which one my Joseph is - before I send for those certs. Thanks, Tricia

I don't know whether this clears it up or not but it may explain why I can't find them in 1861. Burial Index. 2.3.1861 Thomas Ball Wilkinson. Bulwell 45 Yrs 25.3.1861 Mary Wilkinson, Bulwell 45 Yrs. There is also a Joseph 15.11.1856 Aged 18yrs Bulwell. It would not be unusual to have a few acres and be a butcher as well. The 1841 Census does not tell you where they are born but they are living in Main St Bulwell. I do not know Mary's maiden name as I cannot find the marriage on my Indexes. If I go through 1861 again, I presume there should only be one Joseph of the right age left.(In theory)

Getting even more confused now. In 1839 Thomas was an agricultural worker and in 1841 a farmer, now a butcher!! In 1841 wife Mary was born Bulwell, maiden name Houghton. As they are living in Main Street, Bulwell you do have them in Bulwell - yes? Do you have them on 1861? My problem is great grandfather Joseph Wilkinson - in 1841 there are two Wilkinson families living in Bulwell both with child called Joseph born in 1839 - I have to decide which one is my family. By 1881 I can only trace one Joseph Wilkinson on the census so I presume one died. Is it that easy? So I thought I could try and track these people in 1851 and 1861 to see if a 'Joseph' disappears from one of the families. The other family are Richard and Mary Wilkinson all from Bulwell. Clear as mud! All the information I have on them so far was done some time ago by Helen Wilson in S - in - Ashfield. Don't you just dread it when you see my name! Tricia

Hi Tricia I was beginning to wonder if it was me who gave you the 1841 info! 1851 Piece 2127 Folio 506 Main Street, Bulwell Thomas Ball Wilkinson, Head, Marr, 36 Yrs, Butcher b Bulwell Mary Wife 37 b Nuthall Children, Ann 14yrs, Joseph 11 yrs, Henry, 9 yrs,Mary 1yr All b Bulwell I have not found them in 1861 in Bulwell yet. Notts Christening Index at Bulwell St Marys 24.9.1836 Anne, 2.6.1839, Joseph Houghton, 27.2.1842 Henry, 31.3.1850 Mary, 22.5.1853, Sarah, 6.4.1856 Herbert. In the order as above Thomas is listed as Labourer, Farmer, Farmer, Butcher, Labourer, Butcher.

I'm not too sure of anything nowadays. I checked that 3 times before posting the request - too late at night - and,of course Geoff, you are correct. Sorry for messing you about - it is Thomas and Mary. Ann was his mother with whom he was living in 1841. Sorry, Tricia

Are you sure the wife and daughter is Ann and not Mary?

Trying to find the family of Thomas Wilkinson born 1815, Bulwell, Notts with wife Ann born 1813, Bulwell, Notts. I have them on 1841 with first two children, Joseph and Ann living in Main Street, Bulwell. Many thanks, Tricia