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my great grandmothers name was Annie Truscott, i know she married a George Crankshaw in 1925 under the name Annie Bellis (widowed). I also know when her first son ted was born in 1912 she was married to an Edward Bellis and she was living in Salford. In 1910 she gave birth to a daughter called Edith Truscott( although i have always known her as Edith Bellis). I dont know when Annie married Edwaqrd as i cannot find a Bellis/Truscott marriage. I am still unsure where she was born(1883/4) although i have lots of clues i can not confirm anything without working backwards. Can anybody tell me if you can find out if Edward Bellis married Annie ? just in case she married before. n 1837 it doesnt always give a surname of a spouse and because you search by surname i am at a complete loss. Any1 have any idea where i can go from here????????? thankyou Lynsey (going loopy)

It might be worth pursuing Edward Bellis. Either the commonwealth wargraves site or the medals rolls on Document Online. Ask if some kind soul might try to find him on WO363 at Kew. The last, if it survives, would give next of kin and if he were married, DATE OF MARRIAGE! He could have married your grandmother after 1912. My best friend's grandfather only married when his wife was pregnant with the third chikd and he was on the verge of being called up. Brenda

Hi. Have found an ANNIE TRUSCOTT AGED 8 BORN KILBURN LIVING WITH HER GRANDPARENTS ON THE 1891 CENSUS. THEIR NAMES EDWARD AND ANN EBURN LIVING IN HAMPSTEAD. Any help Regards Vera

I have looked through a few years on 1837online (1910/11/12) and the only Annie Truscott marriage I could find was Dec. qtr 1910 at St. Austell, 5c page 262. However there is no corresponding Edward Bellis in the same quarter at the same place. I suppose there is always the possibility that he was left of the index by mistake. Might be worth phoning St. Austell and asking them to check the name of the spouse. Sorry can't find anything more helpful. Kath

As I explained on the thread you seem to have deleted you do not need to know the surname of both people in order to buy a marriage certificate. Have you found ANY marriage of Edward Bellis during that time? Anne

i have found a few edward bellis getting married but they seem too out the way, i know she had her first child in salford and married the second time in salford and spent all her life from 1908 in salford also died there, i will go and check anne. thanks. Also, i did find the Annie on 1891 census that has been mentioned, and i have that birth certificate, i am just unsure whether that is her because i know that annies parents were john truscott and annie truscott(eburn) and according to her 2nd marriage certificate her fathers name is supposedly Edward. Unless that was her fathers middle name or was referring to her grandfathe as her father. So i havent established a definate link ther yet. I have also checked the NA for war details and 1837 for overseas deaths just incase edward did die in the war and have come up with details on an Edward Bellis, manchester regt died 1917. Maybe this is him? what do you all think?

The more far-fetched a solution, the less likely it is to be true, but if your grandmother was asked a question about her late husband, she might have mentioned his name, rather than her father's when marrying for the second time. As regards the CWGC site, I agree that the man in the Manchester regiment does look the most promising candidate, and there's no more info on him. Brenda

The death you've found, could well be him. Have you looked under mistranscriptions of the surname BELLIS? Perhaps it was registered wrong for the marriage? I found this on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission site, just gives a little more info (if you don't already have this) Name: BELLIS Initials: E Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Private Regiment: Manchester Regiment Unit Text: 21st Bn. Date of Death: 29/03/1917 Service No: 33891 Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: Sp. Mem. 6. Cemetery: MORY STREET MILITARY CEMETERY, ST. LEGER

Hi Lynsey There does seem to be a link as ANNIE IS LIVING WITH HER GRANDPARENTS ON THE 1891 CENSUS AND THEIR NAME IS EBURN, YOU SAID HER MOTHERS MAIDEN NAME WAS EBURN Regards Vera

Vera I think she means that she's bought the birth certificate for that Annie Truscott on the 1891, but the father's name is John, which contradicts the info that she has on the 2nd marriage certificate... (father is stated on there as Edward). BUT!! Perhaps her parents died young, and so she considered her grandfather as her father?? Is that what you're getting at? Which could mean that she married first time round using EBURN??? Chloe

Hi Chloe, Thats what I meant, although on the 1891 census she is named as TRUSCOTT. These ancestors nothing is ever straightforward:-)) Regards Vera

Oh, my goodness me, Lynsey, all this is ringing bells. Your great grandmother is driving us all round the bend. Bet she's chuckling in that grave. Wishing you luck,Tricia

Have you, or anyone else, found Annie in 1901?? Could this be coincidence??? Surname First name(s) District Vol Page --------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Sep 1902 --------------------------------------------------------------- Bull Cecilia Annie Pancras 1b 128 Eburn Edward Pancras 1b 128 Moore Robert Pancras 1b 128 Truscott Annie Pancras 1b 128 There's an Annie Truscott, born in St Pancras, living in St Pancras in 1901 with parents James and Annie (both born in Devon though).

Chloe, The plot thickens!!!! :-)) Regards Vera

I know Vera... all I can say to you Lynsey is that I'm glad the're not mine! My ancestors are annoying as it is, at least I don't need to add to their annoyance. Good luck.

so what your saying is in 1902 annie truscott could have married robert moore or edward eburn? well if my annie is linked to the one found on the 1891 census, has she married into her own family? But another thing to add to the cofusion is the fact she had a daughter in 1908 but the daughter took her maiden name of truscott, so this looks like she may not have been married, unless she married her cousin in st pancras and then ran off and settled in salford. im laughing at the thought but .. what a thought eh? you are all being really helpful, this woman has been driving me potty for ages, its good to throw ideas around, its picked me up abit anyway, you are rite , she probably is laughing at me from her grave eh

chloe, the edward eburn u have in 1902 appears on the 1901 census as living with the annie's grandfather on the 1891 census if that makes sense, but no sign of annie. I cant get my hopes up about this though because as i have said the fathers name has put me off so i could be researching the wrong one.