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My great grandmother died in 1931 Alice m Peart aged 31 which i have found....she married William s Peart in a/m/j 1915 , her maiden name was Macey......this means she was born c.1891 ish!! i know from being told by my grandmother that Alice had sisters called ada, amy and edith macey. she remembers them.....The girls mother was also Alice m macey ,nee ellison. I have searched through the 1901 census and have managed to find only only one family that fits .....BUT alice the daughter is named as Gertrude.......do you think this could have been because she didnt like alice?? The mother named in the 1901 was indeed an ellison as told by my family...... I then decided to see if alice could have been about on the 1891 census and found the family listed as Mally living in Wales , the area where the supposed Gertrude/alice was born, she doesnt appear to be alive on the night of the 1891 census, but in the right area for her birth. I have searched form 1891 to 1893 inclusive for a birth for either alice of gertrude and cannot find any birth registered.... Do you think that Gertrude m and alice m are the same person??? Sorry to go on........ Any ideas please?? Rebecca.

Rebecca...ok Can you give us all a clue which one of the 40 Alice Macey's on the 1901 census we should start with please? Peter

Rebecca, I don't see where you get 1891 from. You say she was 31 when she died in 1931? Do you mean 41? Crista

i have since found a birth registered j/a/s 1894 for Alice may in cardiff? do you think this would cover the areas of merthyr dyvan and or barry dock......?

i am so sorry, alice died in 1922.......in 1901 the child listed as gertrude was with mother alice was born in barry dock aged 10 years.....Thank you.

Rebecca, Looks like there might be a child missing in 1901 because there's a big gap. By the way, Ada was actually Ida Louise. Crista

1901, william hy macey 40 alice macey 38 ada l macey 13 gertrude m macey 10 born barry dock edith m macey 5 amy macey 3 In 1891 they were listed as.... william henry mally 31 alice maud 28 ada louise 4 all living at merthyr devan, glamorgan

I guess the best thing to do would be to order alices marriage in 1915 to defo confirm her fathers name.....then recheck, thank you all for your ideas....this family is driving me nuts!! apparently alices husband, william s peart was a cousin!! so ive got to try and find a link there too!!!!! Rebecca.

Odd thing is I can't find a birth for Amy and FreeBMD is complete for those years. Found Edith May and a possible marriage for Ida Louise. Crista

Its really odd isnt it, i really am beginnig to wonder if this the family at all.the only thing that makes me think it still is ,, is because the mother alice was an Ellison......which ive been told about by my grandmother...... Thanks Crista for your time....

crista, what did you find for ida louise macey please?

Rebecca, Marriages Sep 1910 Baldwin Stanley Gloucester 6a 706 Macey Ida L Gloucester 6a 706 Robinson James T Gloucester 6a 706 Crista

Ty Crista, im going to speak to the family again as somebody has a copy of their marriage cert to confirm alices father which realy needs to be william henry macey to almost confrim this is the same family.....the only thing is , i cant find a birth registered for alice anywhere at all..until 1894..... do you think this is alice crista?? Rebecca

Rebecca, It could be but I'd order the marriage cert first and check the age on that. Crista

This is odd, There's a birth for a Gertrude Maud Macey in Cardiff Dec 1888 11a 325 Crista

this gets stranger all the time,!!! now im really confused! Im going to get in touch with some family today to see what they have and know!!!! Thank you!

well, i have spoken to family this morning and have found the marriage cert for alice maud macey in 1915.......she was 24 and her husband was 30, her father was william henry macey.... her mother was an ellison as we thought therefore making that family that i found the correct ones as the siblings of alice were ida, edith, amy , dolly, and oswald... both ida and edith married and became robinsons as you thought crista you had found the marriage for ida.... so now , im thinking alice used the name gertrude in the 1901 census for whatever reason...the only problem is i cant find a birth for alice maud macey, we have her death in that name and her marrige but no birth?? What do you think crista or anyone else? thank you , rebecca.

Rebecca, Here's Dolly: Births Dec 1904 MACEY Dorothy Elizabeth Gloucester 6a 335 It's possible she was known as Alice and dropped the Gertrude. That did happen to my grandmother. She had a first name and middle name on her birth cert, got christened with a second middle name added and after that was known by her new middle name and had dropped her first name completely on her marriage and death certificates. Who's the Gertrude Maud I found in 1888 and where's Amy's birth? I looked for Ida Louisa's birth but couldn't find that either. Crista

This must be Ida: Births Dec 1887 Macey * Louise Thornbury 6a 212 Does look like Ida on the image. Crista

Crista, ive been working all weekend so sorry ive not got back to you to say a very very big thank you for all your help with Alice!!! and her family! Thank you for finding idas birth too, and dollys! Rebecca, x