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Cheers Sue, Looking like that is what i am going to need to do. Regards, Claire

Hi Elaine, I could try looking for an Albert and a Beatrice. Cant really just put Jones in though, lol. Well, the witnesses were a James Dolphin and a Mary Jones which has always intrigued me, was the surname a coincidence or was Mary a sister or even the mum. Regards, Claire

Yes, you have to give the year and ideally have looked the reference number up on 1837 or freebmd, but you can then use the actual date of birth as a reference checking point. If the GRO find the cert doesn't match, then they will give you a partial refund. You can order online at http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/ Perhaps do a couple at a time, that seem the most likely. patience is a virtue in this game! Sue G

Any clues from the witnesses at the wedding ? Sometimes family, friends and NEIGHBOURS .. may give extra clue's. Have you also looked for the other possible siblings on the birth indexes .. if you find them, you may find a clue to where he was born, which could narrow your search down a little ? Elaine :-)

Hi Sue, Can the GRO actually just do a search on the date and month instead of the year? How do i go about that? I didnt know there was a link between Wales and Sheffield regarding steel but that is very interesting. I am wondering if Charles followed his father into the steel industry as most children do seem to follow what their fathers did back then. Thank you all for your time and suggestions. Claire xx

The steel industry could provide the link between (South) Wales and Sheffield, as they were both very important steel producing areas at the time. He could have moved from one to the other. If you provide his actual birthday (2 dec) as a reference check for the GRO, it won't actually cost you 7x£7. I think that is your best bet. Sue

Thats ok Debby, I have brickwalls all over my family but with the others, i can see me somehow knocking them down, but this guy, well, i think he will stay elusive. Its frustrating knowing that one of those Charles Jones' on the 1901 is him and not knowing which one. He is Charles Henry Jones on the marriage and death certificate so would have thought his birth would say that but who knows. Its either buying about 30ish birth certificates spanning those 3 years which will cost me a fortune or hoping i am still alive when the 1920 census comes out and he is with his wife and see what he puts for in the place of birth section. He isnt even registered at being at the address he gave on the wedding cert on the electoral roll. Was another family instead. C xx

His occupation was in the Steel industry (which is probably how the family ended up in Sheffield). He never spoke to his 12 children about his family, he completely cut them off. Nan thinks there was a brother called Albert somewhere and a sister called Beatrice as she has heard the names mentioned but i dont know how truthful these are. Only his eldest 3 children know anything small about his parents and they are all dead now to ask. C xx

Thanks for those Susan, My personal hunch is that he would be 6 in 1894 but i am not sure. It doesnt help not knowing where he was born. Nan says that there is a Welsh connection somewhere down the line but not necessarily his parents. Supposedly they were quite wealthy. I know his birthday is the 2nd December its just was he registered in Dec or Jan as that would make it 2 different quarters. He was 46 when he died in March 1941 and he was 22 when he married on the 17th December 1917. Claire xx

What was Charles' occupation on his marriage certificate? Perhaps you will have to try to build up a better picture of the wife's side and hope that gives you some leads. Sue

Here are some possibles: Charles Henry Jones 6 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Son Wolverhampton Staffordshire Charles Hy Jones 7 Darlaston, Staffordshire, England Son West Bromwich Staffordshire Charles H Jones 6 Walton, Lancashire, England Son Walton on the Hill Lancashire Charles H Jones 6 Stafford, Staffordshire, England Son Stafford Staffordshire Charles H Jones 7 LND, Middlesex, England Son Broughton Lancashire Charles H Jones 7 Salford, Cheshire, England Son Prestwich Lancashire Charles H Jones 7 Woolwich, London, England Son Woolwich London Charles H Jones 7 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Aston Warwickshire etc etc It does seem to be quite a common name. Sue G

Hi Susan, Ive looked and looked at 1901 census and there are quite a few possibles on there but with no knowing where he came from i have no idea which one is him. Debby, Where the fathers name and occupation is meant to be, there is just a line through the box. Nothing at all, apparantly parents disowned him when he married as they thought his wife was beneath him. Well, that is the story passed to the children anyway and my nan still believes it. I have still got an open mind on this. Regards, Claire

Have you found all the possible C H Jones's in the 1901 Census? This might narrow down the possibilities? Sue

Hiya Susan, That is my only option left now i think but with the ages on the certs, he is born either 1894 or 1895 and there are about 7 Charles Henry Jones' registered. Regards, Claire

From the marriage and death certs, you must have some idea of the year in which he was born? Can't you look for the birth cert which would tell you his parents? Sue G

I am now completely stuck with my Charles Henry Jones. Got no idea who his parents are, all i know is when he married and when he died, got both certificates and give me no indication to who he is and where he came from. As a last resort, i emailed the Sheffield library to see if they had the electoral list from 1917 which was the year he married for the address he gave and he wasnt listed as being there!! Does anyone have any suggestions as what to do now or should i just give him up? Regards, Claire