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I believe that 1837online do Army records that one can order .Is this the case? I've been trying to find the army record of my grandfather who served in India and died there around 1930 to 35. As he worked with works dept I suppose he was in the engineers but do not know. He was a Captain when he died, his name Charles Edward Bayliss. In the army record does it give the date and place of birth? I cannot access the 1837 site on my computer without upgrading the system which is quite expensive. Any help would be appreciated. Thankyou, Teresa

I can't confirm or deny re: 1837online .... but to my knowledge, the only way to get hold of someone's Army Records is to apply in writing to the MoD. You need the person's Army number for them to actually find the records though. I paid £25 and it took 8 months for my Grandfathers to come through. YES: the Army Records will give you his date and place of birth ... and any details of his family when he joined the Army etc. Good Luck Elaine :-) I've just looked on 1837online; I think this is what you have heard about ... BMD's NOT Army Records ! ww1, ww2 and overseas birth, marriage and death indexes When you start building your family tree, you will need to order the birth, marriage and death certificates of your ancestors to help fill in the key dates and facts about their past. The birth, marriage and death indexes contained on our site will not only provide you with a wealth of information to help you trace your ancestral roots, but they will also enable you to order the birth, marriage and death certificates. Whilst births, marriages and deaths have been recorded in England & Wales since July 1837 as part of the Civil Registration process, they have also been recorded for British citizens overseas since 1761. If you are looking for a relative or ancestor who was born, married or died overseas, but was still classed as a British citizen at the time of the event, then it is quite possible that the event was recorded by the UK High Commission or Consul within that country. Consequently you may find their record within the WW1, WW2 and overseas birth, marriage and death indexes. The types of records that make up the WW1, WW2 and Overseas BMDs are as follows: Natal and South African Forces deaths 1899-1902 WW1 marriages (behind British Lines) and deaths WW2 deaths WW2 deaths Indian Services Consular & UK High Commission births, marriages and deaths Army births, marriages and deaths Service Department marriages and deaths Regimental Birth Indices Chaplains births, marriages and deaths Air births Air deaths and missing persons Marine births and deaths Ionian Islands births, marriages and deaths Its free to register with 1837online ...I'd register and have a look exactly whats available for yourself.

Have you looked for his death on the Commonwealth War site ? He SHOULD be listed if he was in the British Army ... the records are very good. Type in: http://www.cwgc.org I've just typed the name Bayliss in ... and its brought up 10 poages of results .. but no CHARLES .. Elaine :-)

Thankyou Elaine. I did join the 1837 site and paid my money but their djvu viewer wouldn't work on my imac. I rang them and they refunded my money and said they were hoping to resolve the issue soon. That was the begining of last week but I think they meant months. Thankyou for your help and time. This grandfather of mine is proving very difficult. I know when he was born (year) 1866 and when he married my grandmother (1892) and I also have a photogragh of him. He was born in either England or Wales and I think there were brothers and sisters but I can't find him. Would the commonwealth site have his marriage certificate ? Teresa

Thankyou Kay, the reason that I can't order his army record from the MOD is that I don't have his regiment. I don't know how to get to him! Best wishes Teresa

Thankyou Kay, the reason that I can't order his army record from the MOD is that I don't have his regiment. I don't know how to get to him! Best wishes Teresa

Hi Teresa,the photo you have of him,is he in uniform??I only ask because i too didnt know my grandfathers regt,but managed to identify it through his cap badge from a photo of him.Hope this helps,Regards,Ross.

Hi Teresa, GRO ARMY DEATHS INDICES 1881 TO 1955. DIED 1931 PAGE 165 Have found a CHARLES BAYLISS AGED 22 DIED LUCKNOW 1931 Thats all the info., I have Hope it helps Regards Vera

Teresa, surely we found this info some time back in the Indian Army Records? With his occupation, date of birth and regiment.

Thankyou Vera but as he had alot of children (including my mother who was the eldest) I don't think it's him. He married Caroline Maud Hoogstraton in 1892. I don't know where in India my mother was born either, so frustrating. Teresa

Teresa, we did this search a couple of months back - I even have the following on the pc memory: : Surname: Bayliss Given Name: Charles Edward Birth Date: 15 Oct. 66 FIRST COMM: ---- DATE RANK: 21 Mar. 11 RANK: Warrent Officers COMPANY: Military Work Serv. & Public Works Dept., India REMARKS: Supvr., 1st. Gr., Bhandara Divn., First Circle, Bhandara, C.P. Page #: 526 I seem to remember also finding his birth for you somewhere near Birmingham. Yes, I just found that on my pc memory too: This is the only Charles E Bayliss I can find in the 1871 census who would tie in with your chaps age (4 in April of that year). Not Wales, but certainly the father etc born on the welsh borders. If it is your chap, again you have struck lucky as it gives the maternal grandfather, hence mums maiden name. Ada L Bayliss 11 months West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Daughter West Bromwich Staffordshire Alice Bayliss 11 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Daughter West Bromwich Staffordshire Charles E Bayliss 4 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Son West Bromwich Staffordshire Jane Bayliss 34 Monford, Shropshire, England Wife West Bromwich Staffordshire Richard H Bayliss 18 Bishop Tipton, Herefordshire, England Son West Bromwich Staffordshire Thomas Bayliss 43 Woolhope, Herefordshire, England Head West Bromwich Staffordshire Thomas Paddock 57 Monford, Shropshire, England Father-in-law West Bromwich Staffordshire As we said in January, you can either try to get his records at Kew or look up his marriage - you have the wifes name - on 1837 or as you cant use that, on familyrelatives. Then order the marriage cert for £7 and this will confirm or otherwise that the above is his family. ( I take it you have tried looking for the marriage on freebmd).

Yes Heather I've tried on BMD. I can't access family relatives for the same reason that I can't see 1837!! I did join this site too but had to take a refund as it didn't work for me. It's very kind of you to help me Thankyou. Teresa

And Ross the photo I have is not of him in uniform. I know there used to be one of him in uniform in my mothers wedding photogragh but this was destroyed when my father remarried. This was when I was married and so was not at home. I suppose she was jealous. Teresa

Ive had a google for info - there are hundreds of sites you could look through. I am only looked at one at the British Library which has records of Pensions for officers who served in the British Army in India. This should give details of marriages and children etc. if your chaps is there.

I found my Grandfathers Army Number on my Aunts birth Certificate ... as Grandad was in the Army at the time of her birth. Maybe this could be a way forward for you ? Just a thought ! Elaine :-)

I have a copy of a copy my aunt's birth certificate which gives his name as Charles Edward Bayliss (Welsh) and rank as subconductor supervisor 2nd grade but no number. Underneath is printed:- CERTFIED to be a true copy of the certfied copy of an entry made in a Service Departments Register. Given at the General Register Office, London, under the seal of the said Office, the 4th day of April 1985. Is there any way that this could help? Thanks for your help. Teresa

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