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Thank you so much for trying Kate, i am beginning to think that my G.G.Grandfather (Charles) is as far back as i will be able to go with the Taylors. Thanks for all your advice, i will keep slogging away. Kate x

This family are really tricky! Do you get the feeling that they just wrote or said 'here' when asked where they were born? (except for Kate Sr. in 1881) All I can suggest is a lot of looking through the GRO indexes for surnames Hail and Sanger; there are just so many Taylors it's hard to sort them out! Also maybe you can find Matilda Hail's birth on Scotland's People; I couldn't see it on the IGI. Whether it will help or not I don't know but it might be worth a try. Sorry not to be of more help. I was hoping the witnesses would turn out to be relatives, but W. P. Williams could be anybody with just initials, and I couldn't find anything about the other one. Kate.

Hi Kate Charles bachelor, age full, Baker. Poplar Bow. Catherine spinster, age full. Poplar Bow witnesses W.P.Williams & Jane Laura Haddon. Thanks Kate x

I didn't get the chance to ask this earlier because the kids demanded I get off the computer so they could go on it, but can I just check - Charles' marital status was 'bachelor' on his marriage cert, wasn't it? Also (I always ask this!), who were the witnesses at the wedding? Kte.

I don't really have much to suggest about this yet, but in my experience the ages given on the earliest census you have are more likely to be accurate and they probably 'lost' a few years off their ages on later ones. 'Mother-in-law' could mean so many things, but in theory it should be her relationship to the head of household, not to the person who filled in the form. But it could be his step-mother, perhaps his father had remarried and then the step-mother remarried after his father's death? Have to think about this one a bit more and I'll get back to you if I think of anything else. As for why Catherine wouldn't be with Rebecca in 1861 if she was her daughter, there are plenty of reasons especially if she was 14 or 15 as the age on the 1871 census would suggest: she could have been away at school, living-in as a servant with a family or staying / living with relatives. Kate.

Thanks for having a look anyway Tracy, am just stuck really without Catherine older and Catherine younger and Charles birth cert. still never mind i will keep trying. Kate x

'In law' can mean 'step' and not what we think at all. I must admit, I'm very confused by it all. Can only imagine what they're doing to you :)

Hi Tracy its this Rebecca Hail that i dont get, i found her on the 1861 as well b. 1821 Belper, married to a Samuel Hail b. 1820 Middlesex an outfitters assistant, with a daughter Matilda b. 1845 Scotland. On the death cert. it says wife of Charles Hail outfitters assistant. If she was Catherines mother why isnt Catherine with her? I think it maybe more likely that she could be Charles mother remarried, and that Catherine gave the info for the 1871 census hence, mother-in-law. I have looked for a Taylor/Hail marriage but havnt found one, but with Matilda being born in Scotland maybe the answer is there!! Any ideas why the jump in ages of Catherine & Charles? No neither Charles or Catherine on 1861 Kate

When did Charles and Catherine marry? It is probable that Kate was born with her mother's maiden name. Ahh, I got them... Marriages Sep 1869 Harwood Ann Norah Newington 1d 214 MEADOWS William Newington 1d 214 SANGER Catherine Newington 1d 214 TAYLOR Charles Newington 1d 214 It's a shame 1865 and 1866 aren't better transcribed on FreeBMD. Have you found either of them in 1861?

Hi Kathleen & Tracy, sorry had to go and get the baby from Nursery. Charles in 1901 is living with second wife Sarah and children in 13 Broad Street, Lambeth. Do you think that Kate would have been registered under Taylor if they werent married? I have looked for a Catherine/Kate Sanger cant find one Thanks Kate

This is a possibility for the birth of the younger Kate Taylor. Birth, June qtr. 1865, Bethnal Green, 1c, 249 Catherine Taylor. Kath.

Sorry - got dragged away - will have a look now.

Kate, I've just been looking through 1901. Which Charles is yours? I found two possibles with the info you gave.

Thank you Laird. Kate

just to make it more digestable - the 1st post loses all pagination, always worth just a synopsis in 1st post and full details in a 2nd post, which will format better ! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Charles Taylor b.c. 1850 in Islington on 1881, Lambeth 1891, Bethnal Green 1901. On the 1871 census it all changes: He has put his d.o.b as 1843 and Catherine has put hers as 1846. Charles Taylor head 28 born Hackney Midd. Baker Catherine Taylor wife 25 born Hackney Midd. Kate Taylor daughter 5 born Southwark Surrey Charles Taylor son 1 born Southwark Surrey Rebecca Hail mother in law 50 Belper Derbyshire I have their marriage certificate it says full age and they were married in Saint Saviour in 1869. Catherine's maiden name Sanger father George Sanger seaman. Charles' father also Charles Taylor - plumber. Problem is that on the 1881 census Catherine is down as Kate and born on the high seas off South Africa and born circa 1851, i cant find any details of her birth at sea anywhere or any sign of her on the 1861 census. Cant find any record of birth to fit in with Charles as he puts different places of birth each census, also cant find him on the 1861 census. Who is Rebecca Hail? could it be Charles mother remarried or Catherines mother? Got Rebeccas death cert and Kate Taylor was present at death, doesnt say daughter though. Cant find the younger Kate born 1866 in the 1881 census, she was born before Charles and Catherine married. Cant find record of birth either. Do you think that in the 1871 census they made themselves older as they would have been only 15 & 16 when Kate was born?

Hi can anyone help with the Taylor family. This is what i have so far. See below thanks to Laird