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Please please can anyone help here I am looking for a Philip Gowing. I have a marriage certificate of Louisa Gowing who married William Spilling 21 June 1840 at the parish church in the parish of Thorpe Episcope in Norfolk. They were said to be living in Thorpe Hamlet at the time of marriage Williams father was Abraham Spilling a Cordwainer (we know all about him) Louisas father is Philip Gowing also down as a Cordwainer. Witnesses Samuel Dady (no idea who he is) and Abraham Spilling I have found Louisa and William on 1861 and 1871 in Norfolk – on 1881 she is widowed and living at 10 Spring St, Newchurch, Lancashire but back in Norfolk in 1891. Of Philip Gowing I have never found any sign, I had assumed he was probably dead but recently on FreeBMD a death record for a Philip Gowing showed up for 1872 Norwich age of Philip was given as 68. This age is about 4 years younger than I would expect my Philip to be but as I have never found a record of another I held out hope and sent for the cert. The cert says he died in The Hospital St Stephen January 4th 1872 and the death was registered in the sub district of Mancroft Norwich. Unfortunately it gives no indication of any relatives as the coroner was the informant. There was an nquest held on Jan 4th 1872 and the cause of death was Injuries to leg caused by accidentally being knocked down by pony after which he lived 16 days. His occupation on the death cert is Ag Lab. Because his death happened less than 10 months after the 1871 census he has to be on that census somewhere but I simply cannot find him. Of course this may not be my Philip but I would still like to find him to be absolutely sure. Can anyone please help or advice here – maybe if you have searchable census for areas other than Norfolk you could try a search. Anything at all would be appreciated as its driving me dotty Teresa

Teresa Calm down! As he was around Norfolk and died there I think it most probable he is in the county somewhere, mistranscribed. as you haven't found him under Gowing have you tried Gow Gower Gowning Going or Cowing - even Cowen Dowing etc. nell

Believe me I have tried every thing even searching thru 400 odd just philips no surname. Gowen is the way it is usually mistranscribed but although I found a philip on one census he was about 30 years to young Teresa

Do you know where Louisa was born? nell

Yes most census say she was born in Catton abt 1825/6 - I have checked there and a few nearby parishes - however I was unable to find her birth record when i had my rare trip to the records office. At some point and I cannot remeber where I found mention of a Benjamin Gowing born the year after Louisa - his birth place was given as St Pauls Norwich which is close to Catton and his father was down as Philip but I have never been able to find him either If I am correct I believe my Philip is the one mentioned on family search who was born abt 1799 Norwich and married Hannah Wiseman St Augustine Noriwich in 1817 Teresa

Teresa, The recorded death age is only as reliable as thought by the informant to be true< Kay,

Teresa I have checked on 1837 for a death 1840 to 1841 just in case he died between the marriage and the next census. No go I'm afraid. There are two William's in Norwich, and an Adam also in Norwich, but sorry no Phillip. Victor

Teresa. Dont supose this is of use> Death:1847; March 1/4Goring Philip. Norwich;Norfolk; Ref;13-210. No Age given.. kay;

Louisa From BVRI2. No Philip Gowing but I found these three. The last 'may' be yours. There were quite a lot of Gowings in Norfolk, but no Philips. Doesn't help finding him in the census I know, but it might be useful. Alan GOWEN, Philip Chr 1708 Engl Esse Leyton Fa: Philip GOWEN Mo: Sarah GOWANS, Philip Bir 1719 Scot Midl Edinbu Fa: James GOWANS Mo: Margaret ANDERSON GOWAN, Philip Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 5 Jan 1800 Recorded in: Hemblington, Norfolk, England Father: Philip GOWAN Mother: Sarah HUBBARD Source: FHL Film 1526136 Dates: 1777 - 1847

Thank you all for trying I can see it may be one of those things I never find which will be so annoying but something I need to accept I just don't give up that easily lol Teresa

Teresa, Old or New Catton? I have Old Catton PR's if it's any help. Sue:-)

Oh sue u are getting me excited now but I have no idea if its old or new - it doesn't say - is it hard to search the records for say beteewn 1820 and 1830 I would be very grateful - it would be at least somewhere eliminated if she is not there Teresa

I have them on fiche, so no probs there, not sure of quality as it varies year to year, but will get straight on to it. Sue:-)

Hi Teresa, Sorry, no sign of her, I even tried a few more years either side. I also checked for a marriage for Philip, but nothing. I am so sorry. Sue:-)

bless you for trying sue well I know thats one place down then Many thanks Teresa