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Dancer (!) Addres on 61 is 11 Davidson Street, Salford. Can't check 51 as don't have access to it. Victor Maybe you are right but I think from the records I have that she was not born before civil registration. Lyn

The reason why I asked if you have the certificates was to check out her fathers name. Have looked at eh 1861 and find the parnets came from Ireland, this could be difficult. I would suggest that Elizabeth was born prior to 1837 and therefore was not on the register. Church records being the only option left. Victor

Whats the address on the 1861 Lyn, ? have you had the address checked on '51 ? know it won't help with marriage prob ... just wondering ! Dancer x .... got so used to signing Dancer now, its hard to type Elaine !

Elaine Well done that girl!!! Victor Age on first marriage 25, making dob 1837. Age on 2nd marriage 41, making dob 1839. Lyn

Elaine Exchange of 1861 & 1871 census - does that help?? Victor Yes I do have both marriage certs - why? Lyn

I've JUST CLICKED as to who you are !!!!!!!!!!!!!! I THINK !! Oh my goodness ... I never thought ! Hope I'm not still asleep ! Dancer x

Do you have both of the marriage certificates? Victor

NO ??? ... not sure who you are ... but sign with Lyn !! ... should I !!! I loose touch with all the name changing !!! You know who I am, so I should know you shouldn't I !! Please do tell !!! Have left some replies that now - reading back - are obviously WRONG !! Dancer x

Victor, Yes, I'm still trying to find out whether they were cousins! Elaine, No, neither of them are her, as I said above, parents were Andrew and Mary. Thanks both. Lyn

Have you discounted any of these ? ELIZABETH FORD Female Event(s): Birth: Christening: 15 NOV 1840 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Parents: Father: WILLIAM FORD Family Mother: MARGARET Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date. .................... ELIZA FORD Female Event(s): Birth: Christening: 03 AUG 1837 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Parents: Father: EDWARD FORD Family Mother: PHOEBE Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date. Dancer x

Do you mean to say a Ford married a Ford, should make interesting searching. Victor

Elaine Yes, I have her on 1861 with father Andrew and mother Mary. Will they not search Manchester too if I ask for a 3 years search? Lyn PS: Do you know who I am????

TC Really, I didn't know that! Well maybe I should just ask the GRO to do a 3 year search as I have her father's name and (I hope) her mother's first name. However, I still find it strange that each census from 1861 - 1881 says Liverpool then in 1891 it says Manchester. Looks like I'm going to have to fork out for a search then. Thanks again for your input. Lyn

I'm presuming you have looked on IGI ...? Have you got her on the census's with parents ? Dancer x If you have downloaded all the indexes from 1837 - 1840 ... I wouldn't waste your money getting GRO to do 3yr search - they will only search for Liverpool entries anyway.

As I said - it may be one of them are her because Liverpool and Manchester were very closely associated at that time.

TC Yes, I have every birth record from 1837online. Maybe you are right and she was not registered. I hope not though as I really would like to get her cert. Thanks Lyn

Hi, you checked for the birth on 1837 online? As you know the freebmd and ancestry arent complete. It wasnt actually compulsory for people to register until much later so it may be she never was registered if she was born 1837ish. Hey, I just re read your posting - Liverpool was considered part of Manchester at one point I believe.

Elizabeth FORD, b 1837/39 in Liverpool, Lancashire. She married Patrick FORD in 1862, age stated as 25. Patrick died in 1875 and she married James Masterson in 1880. I have checked every birth record for Elizabeth Ford born Sep 1837 – Dec 1840 in Lancashire but none of them are in Liverpool. I have her on census from 1861 to 1891. 1891 census says she was born in Manchester but 61,71 and 81 all say Liverpool. Can anyone give me an idea what to do next? Should I ask the GRO to do a 3 year search for me? Thanks Lyn

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