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Hello Beverly, do the births of the two children in Canada give the parents names with possibly a maiden name at all??? Are you able to order birth certs out there?? Just a thought.... Rebecca.

Hi Well I am sad to say that the William is another 'Young' that lived down the street from the land. Perhaps because the young man that bought the land and then died about 2 weeks or so later didn't finish paying it off or was working for the land (who knows) that was why the land was given back to the William young. Guess it really doesn't matter but for the last few days I have done all I can to see if William is in deed the Andrew Young (father of the family)......:( I am really at a brick wall. How in the world do I find where this family came to? anything in the Scotish records before they left for Canada in 1833-1839? I have checked all different sites but I am having trouble with some. Either they are not working or perhaps with the two different countries. Thanks for the marriage checks but not my guy...:( Bev

Hi Bev Two marriages Ive found: William Young - Mary McKenzie 2nd January 1824 - Canongate in Edinburgh William Young - Mary Ross 20th July 1827 - Eaglesham Sorry didnt have enough credits to check out the actual images but hope this is of some help. Suzanne

Hi OK..........I might have hit on something when I was going through everything this afternoon. I came across some photocopies of land sold and bought between the family and in the area. I am thinking that Andrew Young is what he goes by and that his first name is William Young........Andrew must be a middle name. A William Young sold land to his son Andrew James Young (but he went by James) and when Andrew James died the land went back to William and then William then sold or gave the land to Hugh with is another son. SO! can anyone do a marriage between a William Andrew Young and a Mary in Scotland between 1824-1287 Their fist child was born in 1827. And as the saying here goes once they are married the first child can come anytime.....:) Bev

Beverly Always a good idea to have a map of parishes for your immediate surrounds, presumably you mean Scotland? You can google the various areas or use GENUKI to get you the Parish Maps of yesteryear. I find Genuki will give you lots of info so you key in GENUKI and plus place of interest eg GENUKI+Scotland will be very general for Scotland but will take you to wherever you want to go in Scotland. The information you get is very useful for many reasons and one of the main reasons is that many places have changed counties over the years. For examlpe I have folk from Culross, which is now Fifeshire, but back in the 1800's was Perthshire so you need to know when this sort of thing happened. It also gives you clues as to where your folk may have gone within the surrounding towns/villages and hamlets. Good luck By the way, GENUKI stands for Genealogy of the UK and Ireland and does include Scotland!! Janet

so to ask another question.....but...:) will do it anyways....LOL is it a good idea to get a map of all the little towns or city or townships (not really sure what you call them in the UK)? is there a site that I can go to and print out for the time that I am needing? thanks again soooo much Bev

Hi I jsut did a little research and I think I might have found the family of Mary Montgomery. Just waiting for an email back to ask for more details. Lets hope so.... Bev

Hi Janet Thank you so much for the info. I thought that since the first child born in Canada was in 1839 in New Brunswick then that would be were the family landed but still no luck with the ships. I did notice on the site of ship lists that there are years missing right when my family would have sailed....(itsn't that they way....LOL) so I am thinking there will be no luck finding their ship but finding the maiden name of Mary Young since I know the birth years of the 4 children born in Scotland would be easier. From there a marriage date and then parents of Andrew.....and so on and so on and so on....:) Bev

Beverley The ships will be under where they landed so if landing Halifax they could have moved on anywhere, though most immigrants tended to stay around where they landed at least for a short while, hence the reason so many Irish people landed at Liverpool and stayed there, though many would have drifted away after a period of time to other places. Many went to Canada en route for the USA. Incidentally the place to which they emigrated will have more ship records as the records of immigration were kept by the country of immigration rather than the country of emmigration and many ships from Ireland called in at British ports to take on more passengers bound for places like Canada. So do not forget to look at the Irish ships leaving from Ireland and bound for Canada. These passenger lists are a bit of a minefield and you may or may not be lucky. The records are being put online by volunteers and more are added every year. If you can find a name of a ship this can help. Did they become naturalised Canadians? If they did then the naturalisation records may help you. All Scottish records are very good. I have a birth cert for 1866 giving me both parents names, occupation of father and not only mother's maiden name, but also the name of her previous married name. Death Certs give you place of death and place of birth as well as names and occupations of parents and in my case was a bonus when an ancestor with a very common name died in Glasgow but was born in Perthshire. Good luck with this one. Janet

thanks.....:) Yes I think the Montgomery line is the way to go right now....if I am wrong then it will not be the first time when dealing with the family tree.....LOL So on birth records in Scotland is it the norm to find the mothers maiden name on the any records? Bev

Hi Bev Yes I think your huntches are probably right (although Im a stickler for accurate findings!). I am the one who put the posting one here for the scottishpeople web site so I went back to my original search and I too came up with Andrew and Mary Montgomery marriage 16th June 1827 in Loudoun,Ayreshire,Scotland and Andrew and Mary Nailer in Sorn on 25th June 1824. With the details you have of the family names they do seem to point to the Mongemery line. Ill keep looking for the time being and if I find anything else Ill let you know. Suzanne

oh and one more......LOL Mary Montgomery b: April 27 1805 father: John Montgomery mother: Margaret Aitken Bev

I have found two leads over and over with the children with the same names of a Mary Montgomery and a Mary Nailer. My gut is telling me or pointing me in the direction of Mary Montgomery.....not sure why so I did a little looking and found. Mary Montgomery b: May 1804 father: Hugh Montgomery Mother: Agnes Montgomery Mary Montgomery b: April 29 1804 father: James Mother: Margaret Mary Montgomery b: Sug 17 1805 father : John Mother : ________ All the names of the the Marys parents are in the family tree so that is why I think they are good leads. Bev

Hi Bev Sorry dont know about they landed or destination question! Ive searched the scottishpeople site and not found any of the births of the children. There was one for a hugh Young to an Andrew and Mary but it was in 1836? There were about 12 Marriages between Andrew Young and Marys but wouldnt know how you would find out if any of them were yours. Ive searched the scottish clearances site to see if they were among their passenger lists but no go there either. Anyway I hope four eyes are better than one for a while. Suzanne

Hi Suzzana I did notice that there were quite a few of the ships that either ship wrecked or went a float and all the passengers were safed. A family member asked the question 'What happens if they were really sailing for Quebec and not the East Coast of Canada? but when the ship had the problems that had to stay for a while. So all this would make a difference of what ship they were on. Are the ship under where they landed or their destination? any idea? thanks again so much Bev

Hi WOW... thanks for all the posts....:) I have looked through a lot or almost all the ships passengers list on the site that Janet suggested. So thanks anyways for that site Janet. Bev

Hi Beverley I too had a bit of a search for you. GenUK have quite a good section on Canadian immagrants but I could not find your Andrew Young among the passenger lists. It seems that there were several places in Scotland that they might have sailed from. I did find a few vessel details and it seems it wasnt even that uncommon for a ship to wreck! and have all on board survive! (go figure!). It does seem that you have a hard one here..Ill spend a bit ore time on it and if I find anything Ill let you know. In the meantime good luck. Suzanne

There are many shipwreck websites, and these may be worth searching although may be tedious if you have no idea of the name of the ship. Try googling Shipwrecks to Canada and see what comes up. I found this one that might be helpful: http(://)www(.)theshipslist(.)com(/)ships(/)Wrecks(/)index(.)htm Janet

Beverley, try this site www(.)scotlandspeople(.)gov(.)uk It's free to search, once registered, credits cost £6 for 30 Census years available- 1871/81/91/1901 Old Parish records include- births/baptisms, 1553 to 1854 banns& marriages, 1553 to 1854 Stat Registers include - births, 1855 to 1904 marriages, 1855 to 1929 deaths, 1855 to 1954 Also you can do a free name search, hope this helps. Heather

No thoughts on this???? any ideas? how do I get a marriage between Andrew Young b: April 1780 to a Mary ? around the time of 1825-1827. Or the birth of Hugh Young 1827 John Young March 1831 Agnes Young 1832-1833 Margaret Young 1833-1834 What years are the census in Scotland done? thanks Bev