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The hunt for Honora Skurls – part 2 I have now got the marriage certificate for Honora Skurls which indicates that she was a Spinster, aged 29, when she married Herbert Henry Walklett, also 29, in July 1897 in Bermondsey. I have crosschecked all the Honoras born in Rotherhithe and Bermondsey that Jennifer and Helen were kind enough to post to see whether they were married to a Skurls. None were. It seems likely therefore that Honora was indeed a Spinster and not a Widow when she married Herbert. It just occurs to me that Honora may have been born in Enfield/Hackney, Middx where another branch of the family came from. Could anyone please check for Honoras born in that area. Also a check for Honora Skurls on the 1871/81/91 census for that area. Many thanks Rita

Rita What was her father's name? And his occupation? Rose

I've had a look at 1871..........105 Honoras born 1867 +/-1........not one with a surname remotely resembling Skurls. The only result of any sort on Ancestry for the complete name is the marriage reg'n. No result either on the LDS site, which automatically uses soundex when searching Rose

No Skurls births at all 1867 to 1869 on 1837 online. One senario could be that she was born something else and orphaned or given up as a child and taken in by another family so took there name as adoption didnt come about until 1926/7. Therefore even on her marriage cert the man who brought her up would be down as her father,she may not of even known herself. According to the 1901 census she was 33 and born in Rotherhithe.But she may have just been told this. Between 1867 and 1869 there are only three Honoras listed as born in that district. Births Mar 1867 SULLIVAN Honora St. Olave 1d 30 ***died Births Jun 1867 Dwyer Honora St. Olave 1d 33 ***died Births Mar 1868 SULLIVAN Honora St Olave 1d Deborah Looks like Dwyer Honora died aged one. Deaths Sep 1868 Dwyer Honora 1 St. Olave. 1d 29 and the Honora Sullivan born 1867 Deaths Mar 1869 Sullivan Honora 2 St. Olave 1d 36

Although the 1901Census she is in Hackney and gives her birthplace as Rotherhithe,,,is no indication as that is her actual birthplace,,if she moved to that area from another country as a baby then thats where she may think she was born ,if later siblings were born there,,,,,,Honora is very much used in the Irish families have you tried her birth for Ireland? What info does it give on her marriage certificate as to father and what his ocupation was?who were witnesses?

Hi everyone - Many thanks for your responses. On the marriage certificate Honora father if Joseph William Skurls which would indicate that was indeed a spinster. Joseph William's occupation is shown as Decorator, this 1897. Witnesses: Henry Joseph Boswell. This on the first line. The next line is rather confusing. Because there is no punctuation it is impossible to say whether there are two or three further witnesses. Rose Collry/Collins? Emily Frances Walklett Squeezed in above Frances Walklett is William George children So is it Rose Collins Emily Frances or Rose Collry? Emily Frances plus William George Walklett Sorry I can't be more clear. Rita

This is the family then in 1881 minus Honora Joseph W. SKURLS Head M Male 59 Hackney, Middlesex, England General Laborer Ellen SKURLS Wife M Female 45 Ireland John SKURLS Son U Male 17 Rotherhithe, Surrey, England General Laborer James SKURLS Son Male 15 Rotherhithe, Surrey, England General Laborer William SKURLS Son Male 7 Rotherhithe, Surrey, England Scholar Eliza SKURLS Daur Female 5 Rotherhithe, Surrey, England Scholar Thomas SKURLS Son Male 2 Rotherhithe, Surrey, England - Source Information: Dwelling 52 West Lane Census Place Rotherhithe, Surrey, England Family History Library Film 1341132 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0581 / 66 Page Number 38 Deborah Perhaps someone could look them up in 1871

JOSEPH WILLIAM SKURLS Marriages: Spouse: SARAH LARTER Family Marriage: 08 OCT 1853 Saint Dunstan, Stepney, London, England Found this on LDS perhaps Joseph was married before and she was the mother of John 17,James 15 and Honora 14. There is then a 7 year gap until next child. If his first wife didnt die but just left with Honora then he may not have married Ellen. Deborah

This looks like Ellens death but I cant see a marriage at the moment Deaths Sep 1902 Skurls Ellen 69 St. Olave 1d 143 and Joseph ?? Deaths Dec 1894 Skurls Joseph 71 St.Olave 1d 137 Deborah

so who are these? 1871 Jeremiah is a labourer address 6 (something Buildings (?Remmington?) **Ann Skeels abt 1867 Rotherhithe, Surrey, England Daughter Rotherhithe London Ellen Skeels abt 1831 Kerry, Ireland Wife Rotherhithe London Henry Skeels abt 1870 Rotherhithe, Surrey, England Son Rotherhithe London Jame Skeels abt 1867 Rotherhithe, Surrey, England Son Rotherhithe London **Jeremiah W Skeels abt 1821 Hackney, Essex, England Head Rotherhithe London John Skeels abt 1863 Rotherhithe, Surrey, England Son Rotherhithe London Maybe Honora=Ann as Joseph appears to equal Jeremiah. lot of co-incedence if not Source information: RG10/642 folio 95 p11 Registration district: St Olave Southwark Sub-registration district: Rotherhithe ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number: 53

Thanks again everyone for your valient efforts. I have just been messaged by Kay as follows: Honora Irish ;is pronounced Hannah/Hannha and also Norah,,,,to English ears,,,, Hope this could help,, I am now wondering whether Honora was transcribed as Nora/Norah or Hannah/Hannha in the censuses. Opinions please Rita

any thoughts on the family I found in 1871?

Jess the 1871 family looks good I cant find any births under Skeels to match them and Ann is often a shortening of Hannah I cant find them on 1861 Deborah

1861 census George H Skurls abt 1853 Rotherhithe, Surrey, England Son Rotherhithe Surrey Josh W Skurls abt 1822 Hackney, Middlesex, England Head Rotherhithe Surrey

the 1861 Jim found.. interesting Josh is a widow, and a HOUSEPAINTER! Source information: RG9/389 Registration district: Rotherhithe Sub-registration district: Rotherhithe ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Folio: 138 Page: 54 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 317 GSU Number: 542628

Jess - I had the Skeels details. There are similarities but nothing that confirmed anything. There are also a lot of Skeels on the freebmd so think that weighs against my Skurls. I think that Honora will just have to be put on the back burner for now unless anyone can up with death details. I am really most grateful for everyone's input. Rita