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☼ Orangeblossom ☼ - Tracy | Report | 16 Aug 2005 22:21 |
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See below... |
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☼ Orangeblossom ☼ - Tracy | Report | 16 Aug 2005 22:21 |
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In 1861, I have this family... John Ellam abt 1829 Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England Head Mirfield Yorkshire Carroline Ellam abt 1832 Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England Wife Mirfield Yorkshire Joseph Ellam abt 1853 Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England Son Mirfield Yorkshire George Ellam abt 1855 Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England Son Mirfield Yorkshire >>Clara Ellam abt 1860 Mirfield, Yorkshire, England Daughter Mirfield Yorkshire Rachell Ellam abt 1795 Halifax, Yorkshire, England Mother-in-law Mirfield Yorkshire In 1871, this is how they appear... John Elam abt 1829 Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England Head Mirfield Yorkshire Caroline Elam abt 1831 Fartown, Yorkshire, England Wife Mirfield Yorkshire Joseph Elam abt 1853 Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England Son Mirfield Yorkshire George Elam abt 1855 Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England Son Mirfield Yorkshire >>Mary Elam abt 1861 Mirfield, Yorkshire, England Daughter Mirfield Yorkshire Alice Elam abt 1863 Mirfield, Yorkshire, England Daughter Mirfield Yorkshire Ann Elam abt 1867 Mirfield, Yorkshire, England Daughter Mirfield Yorkshire Walter Elam abt 1870 Mirfield, Yorkshire, England Son Mirfield Yorkshire In 1881 and 1891, the child born in 1861 is Clara again. Could Mary be Clara? I can only find BMD records for Clara, who dies in 1900, unmarried. I cannot find anything for Mary. Your thoughts please. |
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Liberty64 | Report | 16 Aug 2005 22:29 |
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Tracy Could Mary be her Middle name?? Or may be enumerator thought he heard 'MARY' when asking for her details! If you say It quick enough could be took for Mary! lol Lib |
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Kate | Report | 16 Aug 2005 22:29 |
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Tracy - it could be that Mary was born after the 1861 census and that in 1871, Clara was away, perhaps at school, or it could be that they are the same person, perhaps Clara Mary or Mary Clara. I would try to find birth registration(s) if I were you, to help sort it out. Not sure whether it would be covered on Yorkshire BMD. When you say you can find BMD records for Clara, do you mean you have found her birth and death, or just her death? And did she have a middle name? Kate. |
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☼ Orangeblossom ☼ - Tracy | Report | 16 Aug 2005 22:31 |
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I have the birth registration. She's only listed as Clara. I couldn't find a Clara in 1871 that wasn't with another family. There was one born a few months before mine, but I know where she was. YorkshireBMD only cover Leeds and Hull I think lol Lib - I was wondering that as well, but how does Clara sound like Mary? |
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Unknown | Report | 16 Aug 2005 22:35 |
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If he only heard the 'air' bit and not the beginning/end sound it's an easy mistake. nell |
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Liberty64 | Report | 16 Aug 2005 22:36 |
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Tracy Does Image clearly read 'Mary'! Lib |
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☼ Orangeblossom ☼ - Tracy | Report | 16 Aug 2005 22:36 |
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Could you take a look at this one, and tell me what you think about the name... Clara Ellise abt 1861 Mirfield, Yorkshire, England Niece Mirfield Yorkshire Lib - yes, plain as day :) |
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Liberty64 | Report | 16 Aug 2005 22:39 |
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Would that be in 1861, if she was born that is, or 1871??? I will have a look! |
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☼ Orangeblossom ☼ - Tracy | Report | 16 Aug 2005 22:42 |
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Unless she's the Ellis one in 1861... |
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Liberty64 | Report | 16 Aug 2005 22:44 |
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Tracy Deffo say's Clara Ellis then a smudge! (1871) |
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☼ Orangeblossom ☼ - Tracy | Report | 16 Aug 2005 22:45 |
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Ahh well, so back to original question... Same person? I think they must be. (I think the smudge was Neice) |
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Liberty64 | Report | 16 Aug 2005 22:52 |
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There Is this Clara in 1861 and she as a sister Mary! 1861 England Census records matching your search for All Records > Census > 1861 England Census Match Quality Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image >>>Clara Ellis abt 1861 Mirfield, Yorkshire, England Daughter Mirfield Yorkshire Hannah Ellis abt 1856 Mirfield, Yorkshire, England Daughter Mirfield Yorkshire James Ellis abt 1836 Mirfield, Yorkshire, England Head Mirfield Yorkshire >>>Mary Ellis abt 1859 Mirfield, Yorkshire, England Daughter Mirfield Yorkshire Sarah Ellis abt 1838 Mirfield, Yorkshire, England Wife Mirfield Yorkshire Source information: RG9/3407 Registration district: Dewsbury Sub-registration district: Mirfield ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Folio: 54 Page: 3 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 14 GSU Number: 543127 Trace Why Have we gone from Ellem to Ellis lol, Im confused! |
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☼ Orangeblossom ☼ - Tracy | Report | 16 Aug 2005 22:55 |
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lol that'd be right.... nothing to do with my family unfortunately though. |
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Liberty64 | Report | 16 Aug 2005 23:05 |
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DOH Just realised you just wanted image checking, but they are a different family lol lol I was thinking they had been mistranscribed! lol Lib:)) |
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☼ Orangeblossom ☼ - Tracy | Report | 16 Aug 2005 23:06 |
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lol no - just wanted to make sure she wasn't my Clara :) |
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