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Hi Can anybody find this family in 1881 ? Here are the details I have for 1891 Living 1 Dob(Dab) Alley Notts Edwin Atkins 43 Coal Miner born Stafford Walsall Sarah Atkins Wife 45 Tailoress born Tamworth Staffs Lily Atkins 16 Scholar born Tamworth Staffs Mary Atkins 10 Scholar born Bulwell Notts. In 1901 their are transcribed as ARKIN and in 1891 its ADKIN Their driving me daft please help!!!!!!!!!! Cheryl

Cheryl does the 1901 census match details of place & year of births as the 1891 census? I can't find them at present on the 1881 census . I may have found thier marriage in 1861 : Marriages Mar 1861 Atkins Edwin Nottingham 7b 282 Heard Sarah Nottingham 7b 282 Have you located them on the 1871 census? Much happiness Debi

Just incase anyone else is aiding you in a look up for this family Is this the family you talk of in the 1891 census: Arkin, Edwin abt 1848 Walcott, Staffordshire, England Head Basford Nottinghamshire Arkin, Joseph abt 1885 Bulwell, Nottinghamshire, England Son Basford Nottinghamshire Arkin, Lily abt 1875 Tamworth, Staffordshire, England Daughter Basford Nottinghamshire Arkin, Mary abt 1881 Hucknall, Nottinghamshire, England Daughter Basford Nottinghamshire Arkin, Robert abt 1890 Bulwell, Nottinghamshire, England Daughter Basford Nottinghamshire Arkin, Sarah abt 1846 Tamworth, Staffordshire, England Wife Basford Nottinghamshire If so note it's WALCOTT he is transcribed under for his birth place

Hi Debbie Sorry only just got back to you. Yes it is them in 1901 Its ays Walcott Staffs I live near Staffs and never heard of it. No I haven't found them in 1871 but did see that marriage but not sure it thats them. If you can turn anything up would be grateful Thanks Cheryl

Hi Cheryl I'm having trouble locating him in the 1861/71 & 81 LOL It may be a good idea to obtain one of edwin's & Sarah's childrens birth cert so as to assertain Sarah's maiden name thus enabling you to search and purchase Sarah & Edwin's marriage cert giving fathers name etc and hopefully then we could find them on the census details. I'll keep looking for a wee while . Much happiness Debi

Although it is transcribed WALCOTT in 1891, the image certainly states WALSALL. Paul

Hi Debbie I agree but the only problem is I can't find a birth for any of the children including my Grandmother who was Mary Atkins Thanks for helping Regards cheryl

Hi Cheryl Still unable to find them. Could it be that Lily & Mary could be just Sarah's children??? Does Mary have a middle name?? Much happiness Debi

Births Jun 1890 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Atkins Robert Basford 7b 203 The district Basford spans the boundaries of the counties of Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire and information about it can be found here. Any good to you June

Hi Debbie As far as I am aware Mary has no middle name listed on either her marriage certificate or her death certifcate. But my father said said his Mothers brother was called William Henry Atkins and he got killed in a mining accident which why my father was called William Henry. Not sure how true this is through, my Father was only 7 when his Mother died. Cheryl

Cheryl Dont know if you have seen this in 1881, Image reads occupation Coal miner, I cant make out if he is married or not! I know it says Edward and birth place is stated as Leicestershire, might be worth looking at though! Match Quality Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Residence View Image Edward Atkin abt 1851 Tamworth, Leicestershire, England Lodger Limb Street, Hucknall Torkard, Nottinghamshire, England RG11/3333 Registration district: Basford Sub-registration district: Bulwell ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Folio: 132 Page: 28 Lib

This may be a complete red herring, found in 1881: Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Sarah BETTERIDGE OR BETHERIDGE Wife M Female 66 Baddesley Ensor, Warwick, England Charles ATKINS OR ALKINS Son In Law U Male 28 Baddesley Ensor, Warwick, England Coal Miner Mary A. ATKINS OR ALKINS Grand Daughter U Female 14 Baddesley Ensor, Warwick, England Hat Trimmer (Milliner) Edwin ATKINS OR ALKINS Grand Son U Male 6 Tamworth, Warwick, England Scholar -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Census Place Baddesley Ensor, Warwick, England Family History Library Film 1341729 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 3056 / 70 Page Number 32 (And the family relationships, if all details are correctly transcribed, look complicated)

Hi June, At least thats one birth found only got 3 more to go Thanks again Cheryl

Hi Lady Liberty/Brenda Thanks for the look ups you found but still not sure about either of them and where is daughter Lily!!!!!! This family is a complete mystery, but I am wondering if my Grandmothers father wasn't Edwin and whether he was just her step father. Thanks for your help Cheryl

Cheryl I too suspect that Sarah was married prior to Edwin, It does seem odd that none of the family can be located before 1891! Lib Could this be Joseph's birth ref same area as Robert, they are the two youngest 'Atkins' children too: Atkins, Joseph Record Type: Births Quarter: September Year: 1886 District: Basford County: Derbyshire Nottinghamshire Volume: 7b Page: 194

I initially ignored this family, but it is possible: Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Alfred BEALS Head M Male 25 Bedworth, Stafford, England Coal Miner Sarah BEALS Wife M Female 23 Tamworth, Stafford, England Lilly BEALS Daur Female 5 Tamworth, Stafford, England Scholar Matilda BEALS Daur Female 1 m Nottm, Nottingham, England John BEALS Son Male 13 Bedworth, Stafford, England Scholar -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 12 Lotus St Census Place Nottingham St Mary, Nottingham, England Family History Library Film 1341801 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 3354 / 88 Page Number 28

Births Sep 1886 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Atkins Joseph Basford 7b 194 The district Basford spans the boundaries of the counties of Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire and information about it can be found here. here might be another June

Cheryl Clutching at straws now and working on the theory that edwin is the Step father to Lily & Mary and maybe Mary was a Matilida - ANYTHING could occur with our ancestors when they wished to cover up things !! This was the ONLY Lily & Sarah from Tamworth I could find on the 1881 census - note matilida b 1881 and in Notts!! Alfred is a coal miner: Alfred Beals abt 1856 Bedworth, Staffordshire, England Head 12 Lotus St, Nottingham St Mary, Nottinghamshire, England John Beals abt 1868 Bedworth, Staffordshire, England Son 12 Lotus St, Nottingham St Mary, Nottinghamshire, England Lilly Beals abt 1876 Tamworth, Staffordshire, England Daughter 12 Lotus St, Nottingham St Mary, Nottinghamshire, England Matilda Beals abt 1881 Nottm, Nottinghamshire, England Daughter 12 Lotus St, Nottingham St Mary, Nottinghamshire, England Sarah Beals abt 1858 Tamworth, Staffordshire, England Wife 12 Lotus St, Nottingham St Mary, Nottinghamshire, England The address looks as if it's 12 Lotus St, Notts Much happiness Debi

Hi Debbie I'm trying not to get to excited just yet. But I can't find the Sarah or Lily Beals in 1891. My Gran Mary's birthday was the 1st May so she probably wasn't born in at the time of the 1881 Census. My Dad never spoke much about his family and he died two years ago so I'm really struggling. He was 7 when his Mum died and 13 when his Dad died. The whole family are a total mystery his mother and father married in 1905 his elder sister Evelyn was born 1906 and my Dad 1920, but then when he died my Mum and i found out that he had an older brother called Henry and another sister called Beatie, but Beatie was born 4 years before Evelyn. I have no contact with my Dads family at all but I am determined to find out what the mystery is!!!!!!! Regards Cheryl