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how difficult can it be to trace somebody with a name like troke!!!!!!! my gt grandfather seems to be invisible for most of his and his childrens' lives. he is on 1901 census edmonton, middlesex. THOMAS TROKE head 67 gasmeter maker b. exeter, devon JANE TROKEwife 55 b. liverpool ALFRED TROKE son 18 gasmeter maker b. paris france. I'm 99% certain that the entry on 1871 census for welshpool, montgomeryshire is him THOMAS TROKE head 36 tinplate worker b. devon, exeter JANE TROKEwife 35 then crossed out and not at home written in. CAROLINE LUCY TROKE dau. 5 b. salop, oswestry, MARY ELLEN TROKE dau 3 welshpool montgomeryshire GEORGE THOMAS TROKE son 1 also welshpool. i can't find any other trace of him, his marriage, his death or even a likely birth. maybe he was an alien and only on earth temporarily!!!! please help!

Bear with me ... PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE CAN ANYONE HELP ME TRACE THOMAS TROKE How difficult can it be to trace somebody with a name like Troke!!!!!!! My gt grandfather seems to be invisible for most of his and his childrens' lives. He is on 1901 census Edmonton, Middlesex. THOMAS TROKE head 67 gasmeter maker b. exeter, devon JANE TROKEwife 55 b. liverpool ALFRED TROKE son 18 gasmeter maker b. paris france. I'm 99% certain that the entry on 1871 census for welshpool, montgomeryshire is him THOMAS TROKE head 36 tinplate worker b. devon, exeter JANE TROKEwife 35 then crossed out and not at home written in. CAROLINE LUCY TROKE dau. 5 b. salop, oswestry, MARY ELLEN TROKE dau 3 welshpool montomeryshire GEORGE THOMAS TROKE son 1 also welshpool. I can't find any other trace of him, his marriage, his death or even a likely birth. maybe he was an alien and only on earth temporarily!!!! please help! --------------------------------------------------------------- Sorry, it's just easier to digest and understand when its set out as a 'reply' to your thread. From the places of birth noted for the children, obviously, this family moved about a bit ! Lets see what we can find for you ! Elaine :-)

Possible that in 1881 they were all in Paris France ... as thats where the son Alfred was born. Looks like they married sometime between 1861 - 1871, have you got the marriage cert ? I'll go and look on 1891 & 1881 ... see if I can find them, Both parents obviously still alive in 1901, so deaths obviously after that. I'll be back ! Elaine :-)

Jayne I found this on FreeBMD: Deaths Jun 1909 TROKE Thomas Age74 Edmonton 3a 281 Suzy

Here they are in 1891: Trooke ! Name: Trooke, Thomas Gas Meter Maker Age: 57 Estimated birth year: abt 1834 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where Born: Exeter, Devon Birth Country: England Civil parish: Newington St Mary Ecclesiastical parish: All Souls Town: London County/Island: London Source information: RG12/357 Registration district: St Saviour Southwark Sub registration district: St Peter Walworth ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Folio: 9 Page: 12 (click to see others on page) GSU Number: 6095467 Wife Jane 45 b Lpool Lucy 25 MantleMaker b Oswestry Wales Nellie 23 b Welshpool Alfred 8 b Paris

Jayne This looks like him at home on 1851 Devon Census Tom Head: TROKE, Benjamin Neighbors 27078 Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace Benjamin TROKE Head M 42 M Tinman Exeter-DEV Mary TROKE Wife M 39 F --- Plymouth-DEV Benjamin TROKE Son U 20 M Tinman Exeter-DEV Thomas TROKE Son - 17 M Tinman Exeter-DEV Frederic TROKE Son - 9 M Scholar Exeter-DEV Walter TROKE Son - 6 M Scholar Exeter-DEV Edwin TROKE Son - 5 M Scholar Exeter-DEV Emanuel TROKE Son - 3 M --- Exeter-DEV Charlotte TROKE Daur - 1 F --- Exeter-DEV Address: Smythen Street, --- Census Place: Exeter St John Exeter, Devonshire PRO Reference: HO/107/1869 Folio: 294 Page: 23 FHL Film: 0221017

oh you darling derbyshire dancer, thats definitely them. that wasn't a name variation that i had thought of, i had tried varios others! i think caroline lucy or lucy caroline married in 1893 to william harvey hatch and were at 48 beresford st, newington southwark in 1901. they then had a daughter lucy amy. i think she was my godmother but to prove that i need another seemingly non existant record - that of her marriage to charles leviman (or levinson) mancha-green.

Me again Jayne, Have checked marriage's for Thomas Troke 1864 - 1867 inc ... and the ONLY Thomas Troke entry is Thomas Troke March 1864 Exeter 5b, 140 The cert will give Jane's maiden name !! Elaine :-) Can't find Thomas Troke on 1861 Can't find Jane Troke on 1871 Can't find any on 1881 ... possibly in Paris Found 1891 Death of Thomas, Suzy found. Hope it helps Elaine :-)

thanx so much tom, what a great bunch of people on genes reunited. months of hair pulling, head banging and cursing loudly and you've all helped me solve it. as my parents split when i was a baby i've had no family input into my search for my father's family and was beginning to think i would never learn about them. thanks again. jayne

thanks suzy, that looks like him. with everybody's help i'm getting tabs on the elusive trokes. i could believe my jones ancestors could be so much easier than trokes!!! jayne

think you're right elaine - family probably in france in 1881, i would love to know why. they were certainly a well travelled lot. now to try to solve the next knotty problem - how to get the birth details of alfred garnet troke(now theres a name to conjure with!) not so vital to have him now that i know about his siblings. they must have registered at least one of them! thank you again for all your help jayne

Jayne When would Alfred Garnet TROKE have been born approximately? Suzy

Oh silly me, is he the one born in France? I found these marriages (all Alfred TROKE marriages between 1901 and 1920): Troke Alfred Christchurch 2b 1305 Marriage Q2 1902 Troke Alfred H Faversham 2a 2890 Marriage Q4 1915 Spouse: Knowler Troke Alfred G Southwark 1d 161 Marriage Q3 1911 Troke Alfred Taunton 5c 793 Marriage Q4 1920 Spouse: Farmer The third one looks interesting? Suzy

morning suzy, yes alfred garnet troke was born 1883 paris. he married annie eliza hutton in 1911 father fredeick hutton in 1911 at all souls,newington, southwark. they had 1 son that i can find alfred frank troke born 31/07/1914 and i think annie died in 1915 BUT i haven't traced a death for alfred garnet troke. 'ancestry' doesn't seem to have 20th century records or am i doing something silly, i fairly new to this internet research. thanks again for all your help so far and if you can help me tweak out the final knots in the troke saga i shall hence forth be known as 'eternally grateful jayne'

Jayne This looks like Annie's death: Troke Annie E 32 Greenwich 1d 885 Death Q3 1915 Alfred did not die before 1920, not in England or Wales. Will keep looking. Suzy

Hi again I think you need to subscribe to either 1837online or FamilyRelatives and search for Alfred's death quarter by quarter. Alternatively, your local large library should have all the BMDs on microfiche. Good luck. Suzy

Sorry Jayne, Got a little tired before getting round to 51 & 41 ! 1841 Exeter Entry. Benjamnin Troke, 30 Tinman Mary 30 Benjamin 10 Thomas 5 St John, Exeter. Have image if you want it, send e.mail addy.

thanks again suzy for all your kind help. I'm sure thats the right death - i found it years ago at cardiff records office and then all paperwork during a house move. couldn't then find it next time i looked on gro indexes. strange hoe that happens or is it just me. i have just bought some units at 1837 but am alittle confused about how to use them. do you have to search each quarter in which your ancestors name might have appeared? if this is the case i hope alfred garnet didn't live to be 105!!! he appears on my parents marriage certificate and it doesn't say deceased but may that mean that my father didn't know if he was alive or dead. he told my mother that he was an orphan which i took to mean thar he had lost both parents in childhood. he was brought up by somebody else. i'm rather a novice at family history and have a lot to learn. thank you for your help and patience. jayne

hi there elaine, thanks for burning the midnight oil for me. thats certainly my trokes and tom very kindly found them on 1851 census so i have the family banged to rights now. don't think i need the image at the moment and may have trouble printing it anyway, computer is having a wee wobbly (too many late nights)and not talking to the printer some of the time. i'm even more inexperienced when it comes to computers than i am doing family history so the computer knows its in charge! but a bonus from the f.h. research is to find there are still such fantastic and helpful people out there. jayne

Hello again Jayne If Alfred isnot shown as deceased on your parents marriage certificate, it may be an idea to start from the year they were married; working forwards. Suzy