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with a very unusual name !!!!!!! Could he have been in USA or Scotland perhaps ?????

Speakman Smith Johnson was born in Manchester 1829. I have him with his parents on 1841 census ... unmarried !! Not got on 1851! Can't find in the United Kingdon anywhere 1861 Can't find in the United Kingdom anywhere 1871 1881 I have him as VISITOR, living with sister Charlotte and fam. as ' WIDOW ' 1891 I have him as lodger 'Brother in Law' with Charlotte's husband who has remarried since Charlotte died. Have just this minute found his death: Deaths Jun 1895 Johnson, Speakman Smith 64 Prestwich 8d 244 Any help with this would be really appreciated. Elaine :-)

Right I could do with a good rumage..........any chance of the details from 1841 ?

Couldn't find him, but note from 1881 that he was a widower. Could this be his son, (died in same quarter) Name: Johnson, John Speakman Record Type: Births Quarter: December Year: 1865 District: Wigan County: Greater Manchester Lancashire Volume: 8c Page: 72

Hi Esta, Not seen you about for a while ! Manchester .... no address I'm afraid :-( Bear with me and I'll search the surrounding area, see if any clue's. Ninin Johnson 50 Publican Ellen - wife 45 (nee Speakman) Ann 15 Charlotte 15 -married 1856 - have her Ellen 14 Speakman 11 Sarah 5 Elaine :-) *Esta, need to get CD working ... could be a minute or two *

Hi Christine, There seem to be a lot of entries on Ancestry with middle name Speakman and surname Speakman .... so I wouldn't like to say. Thanks though. Elaine :-)

maybe 1861 image on the way to you View Record Johnson ?? abt 1821 Middleton, Lancashire, England Brother Middleton Lancashire View Record Edwin Harwood abt 1828 Middleton, Lancashire, England Head Middleton Lancashire View Record Mary E Harwood abt 1860 Middleton, Lancashire, England Daughter Middleton Lancashire View Record Sarah Harwood abt 1830 Middleton, Lancashire, England Wife Sue

Oooo......i hate these ancestors who are experts in hide'n'seek !!........Can't see anything yet. Traced his sister back to see what here places of birth were and to check he's not with her - he's not !........that would have been to easy of course !

Looks like Caleston St ... on the 1841 image .... D'ya know it's really hard to say this, but I'm glad I'm not the only person who can't find him !!!!!!!!!! I do wonder if he's gone to USA or if he's up in Scotland .. but I haven't got access to iether. If I hadn't seen him down as Widower, it wouldn't be bothering me ... but he MAY have children left somewhere !! Not to worry too much Esta, they can't go anywhere can they !! Elaine :-)

Sue (10b) Nothing received yet babe ........ I'll go and check image on Ancestry using details you have left. Thanks babe. Elaine :-) Johnson Harwood .. Brother .....:-(( Oh well, worth investigating. Thanks Sue, really appreciate the input x

Not who you wanted but I THINK I have found ellen ( mother) with daughter ann in 1861 ( Not 100% sure ) .........do you have this ??

Esta.. No I don't have Ellen with Ann ....... I started looking for the easy one FIRST ( Coward that I am !) Thanks xx Elaine :-)

Like I said not 100% sure but this is from 1861 - I couldn't see a marriage for Ann to a Mr Hague but here you go ..what do you think.??...... Berkeley Edward Addison abt 1845 Scotland Boarder Cheetham Lancashire Rawley Ann abt 1842 Oldham, Lancashire, England Servant Cheetham Lancashire Henry J Bidder abt 1840 Worcestershire, England Boarder Cheetham Lancashire *** Ann S Hague abt 1823 Manchester, Lancashire, England Head Cheetham Lancashire Edwin Hague abt 1850 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son Cheetham Lancashire John H Hague abt 1852 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son Cheetham Lancashire ** Ellen Johnson abt 1795 Hollinsgreen, Lancashire, England Grandmother, Grandma Cheetham Lancashire Ann occupation is a Bar House Keeper - similar to 'father'

Wow Esta .......... That seems to fit real nicely !!!!! The children are noted as being born (sometimers) in Hollins Green ...and the names etc seem to fit.!!!! THANK YOU ... so Mother (Gran) was still alive in 1861 then !!!! Son needs my attention. Back soon ! THANK YOU. Scotland Border ...... I wonder ??????? if Speakman may have found himself a bride up that neck of the woods. THANK YOU Elaine :_)

Well Elaine .......glad I was some help........I'm going to have to give up looking for your chap ( Afterlife starts soon )..I've tried every thing I can think but nothing - sorry. Will check back later to see if you have had any luck.................( Fingers crossed ) Esta

Hi Elaine, On 1841 census it should read Cateaton Street ( according to 1851 surname index ) I've tried looking on 1851 census but no luck. Magic drinks aren't working tonight !! :>( Barbara

Cas ... and Barbara, THANK YOU .... definately interesting information. I'm not sure where Nancy Johnson may fit in, she's obviously a wife of a Johnson, but I haven't got far enough back with investigations to know WHO she may have married ...(could be one of Ninin's brothers but I would need to do some more research to find out who/when ! Ninin is brother of Sarah Johnson ... who married my GGGG Grandfather James Shawcross in 1808. I have Sarah & Ninin's parents but have to wait till after Monday to find any further info on the parents. Barbara .... I will try and find time soon to chase that up, with 1851 ... but everytime I come to PC son starts shouting 'MUUUUUM...' I'll come back as soon as I can. Elaine :-)

Hi Elaine, Just to save you time I've gone through HO 107/2229 and looked at all the folios that have a Johnson in...but they are not there. Barbara

Elaine Have you seen this on Familysearch 3. SPEAKMAN SMITH JOHNSON - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Male Marriage: 24 SEP 1858 Central District, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Spouse: SARAH ANN AITKEN Family Marriage: 24 SEP 1858 Central District, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland What do you think !!.......I got all excited when I found it and he's not even mine. Esta x

ESTA, Come 'ere, I'm gonna hug ya ta death ............... THANK YOU. How did you get that ? ........ I tried IGI.... (but not Scotland !!!)...... THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU So need Scotland then .. had a feeling in my bones ..... Netty, ..... ??? is this why you just sent me an e.mail about Scotland ?????????? You little devil !!! Elaine :-) . need to pull myself and all the info together. Just need to get some info for son, so he will leave me alone for an hour or so ! ;-)