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F.C thank you i'm starting to get blisters from all this writing, LOL. most grateful, as i didnt expect all of this help. cheers :-) P.s. Esta have managed to find them, so am off to email them thank you :-)

-Might be worth asking someone if they have the 1841 census for Staffordshire if they were married this early they could have had other children that were in service by 1851. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HANDLEY SIMPSON Male Family -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages: Spouse: LAVINIA ANN ASHWORTH JOHNSON Family Marriage: 17 FEB 1833 Wolstanton, Stafford, England -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: M010031 1624 - 1769 0873648 Film 0883957 Film M010031 1770 - 1812 0096896 Film NONE M010031 1813 - 1825 0497355 Film NONE M010031 1828 - 1837 0497356 Film NONE

Esta wow that is amazing, that is, that's greats thanks you, will go and google it and take a look and see if i can email them as well. Cheers and thanks for everything p.s., soz about the late rely, lost my usb connection again, :-) p.s. thanks for that tip, will go and do it now :-)

Looks like someone else has an interest in your people Found this.......I know its from 2001 but they may be able to help. STAFFORDSHIRE-L Archives From: 'Neville and Julie Suter' <julesandnev@myplace*net*au> Subject: [STS] HULME / SIMPSON Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:14:47 +1000 Hi Everyone, Further research has given me the following people. If there is anyone out there researching the same people I would love to hear from you. Also is there anyone who can tell me what Stoke Par would mean as a birth place? I have never come across the Par before. Teresa Simpson born Hanley 1844. Parents- Hanley Simpson 1820 Hanley/Lavinia no info. G Parents- John Simpson 1796 Hanley/Ann Bellfield no info. GG Parents-Hanley Simpson no info/Hannah Hulme 1760 S.O.T. GGG Parents- Thomas Hulme and Margaret no info. It doesn't want to print the email address ( Don't know why ) If you google 'Hanley SIMPSON ' it's the 4th / 5th links down - From Rootsweb.

oh my gosh, that is awful that is, fancy not waiting, nasty LOL thanks ever so much F.C , brilliant, its given me loads to work on and sort out, thanks :-)

Found this on StaffordshireBMD. Didn't wait did he!!!! Marriages 1845. SIMPSON Handley PEAKE Elizabeth Newcastle, St George Newcastle-Under-Lyme C21/1/266

Hi Christine ( am shocked , LOL, that's didn't half shock me, wasn't expecting that) thanks ever so much for that, wow, that never entered my head that she could have died, doh to me! thank you :-)

Reason for different wife's name on 1851 Name: SIMPSON, Lavinia Record Type: Deaths Quarter: June Year: 1845 District: Stoke upon Trent County: Staffordshire Volume: 17 Page: 133

Hi F.C thank you yes that could be a possibility, im writing all of this down, LOL. daft question , LOL i know in them days they shortened names etc, so do you think Lavinia went by the name Elizabeth, could that be a possibility ? i hope so, :-) p.s. a mangle , LOL, will do some reading up on that, LOL cheers

Did have one more child before he died by the looks. 1861. Elizabeth Simpson abt 1824 Liverpool Head Hanley Staffordshire View Record Elizabeth Simpson abt 1854 Hanley, Staffordshire, England Daughter Hanley Staffordshire View Record Hannah Simpson abt 1848 Hanley, Staffordshire, England Daughter Hanley Staffordshire Address 6 Shell St. Occ is interesting??? says Keeps a Mangle???? Source information: RG9/1932 Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent Sub-registration district: Hanley ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Folio: 6 Page: 5

wow cheers Esta for that birth info, i have spent 2 hours searching free bmd and IGI site and nothing, LOL thanks :-) :-)

Name: SIMPSON, Theresa Record Type: Births Quarter: March Year: 1844 District: Stoke upon Trent County: Staffordshire Volume: 17 Page: 200

cheers and thanks Esta without possibilities we wouldnt have anywhere to search, to me anything is a starting point so thanks :-)

Just trying to add to your possible info.. Name: SIMPSON, Handley Record Type: Deaths Quarter: September Year: 1859 District: Stoke upon Trent County: Staffordshire Volume: 6b Page: 82 OR Name: SIMPSON, Hanley Record Type: Deaths Quarter: March Year: 1855 District: Stoke upon Trent County: Staffordshire Volume: 6b Page: 140

Hi Christine & F.C thanks ever so much for all of that. it gives me something to work on now. thanks and cheers to you both :-)

Might not find Hanley in 1861 if this is him. Name: SIMPSON, Hanley Record Type: Deaths Quarter: March Year: 1855 District: Stoke upon Trent County: Staffordshire Volume: 6b Page: 140

1851 has this Elizabeth Simpson abt 1823 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Wife Stoke upon Trent Staffordshire >>Handley Simpson abt 1814 Shelton, Staffordshire, England Head Stoke upon Trent Staffordshire Hannah Simpson abt 1848 Shelton, Staffordshire, England Daughter Stoke upon Trent Staffordshire Mary Ann Simpson abt 1837 Shelton, Staffordshire, England Daughter Stoke upon Trent Staffordshire >> Teresa Simpson abt 1844 Shelton, Staffordshire, England Daughter Stoke upon Trent Staffordshire

STAFFORDSHIRE, STOKE ON TRENT. Hi and thank you. I have just fount a christening on the IGI. For: Theresa Simpson 24/3/1844. Now on there it says that the fathers name is HANLEY SIMPSON, which i cant see, as the christening took place in Hanley, i was wondering if this was a mistype or its for real. that's why I've asked someone to look on the 1851 or 1861 census for me. IT says. Father: Hanley Simpson. Mother: Lavinia no age, or anything daur : Theresa/Teresa Simpson 1844. Please don't waste you time if its going to be to much hard work, i can always ask again when i have more info. thanks and cheers :-)

Very limited information, if its not enough info for a search then that's OK, i understand. Thanks. :-) PLEASE see below.