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Thanks to everyone for all your interest and help. Best wishes Maria

Dear Jess - thanks - will order Bridget's birth certificate as soon as husband stops checking the bank statements for ONS payments!! M

Dear Cutie - yes wondering about the children - they wouldn't have been that old - that's why I was hoping they might be there. Ellen died of 'disease of the womb' and exhaustion. I still think William was in the area though - especially as he married his second wife Caroline in Andover in 1878 - too much of a conicidence? m

No house number on the death certificate. M

It's looking possible for this Ellen to be YOUR Ellen ... but I can't understand why the Landlady of the pub was so involved with the death ? What was Ellen's CAUSE of death ? And why did William and the kids go off and live in Lancashire ? ..... Elaine ;-)

Dear Cutie, yes I got excited about Charlotte until I did the maths!! Maria

OK, have found the witness on the death cert ...... Charlotte Davis abt 1848 Andover, Hampshire, England Head 108 New Street (Blacksmiths Arms), Andover, Hampshire, England ......... WHAT number (address) did ELLEN die at on New St, does the death cert say ????? ... or could it be that Ellen died in the pub ? If the Landlady of the pub was with her when she died...and registered her death, sounds to me like THIS Ellen had no family near by ... but had obviously mentioned her hubby William ... Charlotte is a servant in 1881: Charlotte Ellen Kingston abt 1865 Bolton, Lancashire, England Servant 16, Great Bolton, Lancashire, England. Elaine :-)

That must be them in 1861 .... this is the same family in 1871: William Kingston abt 1826 Andover, Hampshire, England Head Great Bolton Lancashire Ellen Kingston abt 1831 Ireland Wife Great Bolton Lancashire Henry Kingston abt 1854 Malta Son Great Bolton Lancashire John W Kingston abt 1863 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son Great Bolton Lancashire Charlotte E Kingston abt 1865 Farnworth, Lancashire, England Daughter Great Bolton Lancashire Now knowing that Charlotte was born c1865 ...it's unlikely to be her who registered the death in 1877 ... she would only have been 12ish ... and NOT married. !

So, Charlotte married a Davis maybe ?. In 1861 ...... are William & Ellen in Aldershot with a son named Henry ? (born in Malta)...... was Ellen b Ireland in c1830 ? Elaine ;-)

Sorry Jess - thick as a brick this morning! 1861 census in Aldershot, 1871 census shows family in Bolton. By 1881 husband WIlliam is with second wife Caroline who he married in Andover in 1878. Ellen is listed on death certificate as wife of William and the witness is a Charlotte Davis (her mark) of New St who was present at the death. The one detail that niggles is the decription of William as a general labourer. In the 1871 census he is listed as a sergeant instructor of Volunteer Rifles and the 1881 census shows him as a army pensioner and collector for a local firm. Maria

What years where hubby William and the two children born please ? .Would Charlotte have been married by 1881 ? Elaine ;-)

The only Kingston i can see in Andover in 1881 is a george , with NEW in the address ------------------------------------------------ what number New st did she die at please

is she mistrancribed in 1871 - cant see her/them

Who registered her death ? Husband ? child ? Elaine ;-) Have you checked 1881 for husband and/or children, to see if any of them are still at the address that she died at ?

Ellen Kingston was 48 when she died in 1877. She appears on the 1871 census in Aldershot with her husband William Kingston. I was hoping that confirmation of other members of the household i.e. children John William Kingston and Charlotte would tell me it was definitely her. Best wishes Maria

can you tell us any more about ellen Kingston? husband? children ? do you know she lived there if so when? ------------------------------------------------------------------ prob worth buying Name: Lonergan, Bridget Record Type: Births Quarter: June Year: 1904 District: Manchester (1837-1924) County: Lancashire Volume: 8d Page: 298

Your ggg Grandmother, Ellen Kingston ... how old was she when she died, or when/where was she born ? who was she married to ? We can check 1871 census to see where she was living then. Elaine ;-)

Dear Jess I have Catherine 1897, Margaret 1898, Beatrice 1900(confirmed on the 1901 census) also possibles Philip 1901, Mary 1902, Ellen 1903 and Bridget 1904. Best wishes Maria

do Bridgets children have names? 1901 maybe?Living at 57 Abbott St View Record Andrew Lonergan abt 1872 Ireland Head Manchester Lancashire < bricklayers labourer View Record Beatrice Lonergan abt 1900 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter Manchester Lancashire View Record Bridget Lonergan abt 1877 Ireland Wife Manchester Lancashire View Record Catherine Lonergan abt 1897 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter Manchester Lancashire View Record Maggie Lonergan abt 1899 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter Manchester Lancashire adds credibility too Name: LONERGAN, Andrew Record Type: Deaths Age at death: 31 Quarter: June Year: 1904 District: Prestwich County: Lancashire Volume: 8d Page: 249

I've just received the death cert of my ggg grandmother and wondered if it was possible to check who lived at the address where she died to be certain that it's her. She died at New St, Andover, Hants in June 1877 and her name was Ellen Kingston. I've also acquired my great grandfather's Michael Flaherty's wedding certificate. His wife (Bridget Lonergan) had been married before and the certificate lists them as living at the same address(!!) 8 Heelis St, Manchester in 1905, Bridget is listed as widow and housekeeper. I'd be interested to find out who else was in the household as it appears she had 5/6 children prior to marrying Michael and I'd like to pin them down. Any thoughts/ assistance would be gratefully received. Many thanks. Maria Parkinson