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Thanks Penny...yes I did see those, but there are just TOO many differences....! Sue. Stop it. !!! Merry

Thanks for letting me know Sue..........might ask for a lookup when I've got my head round this one! I have now finished searching Gozzard Street in 1851 ......Guess what??? they were conspicuous by their absence!!.......I did notice that a lot of families in that district only had a first name for the head and then initials for the rest.......ruched back to the search bit to check for all the different variables with only first initial for forename Ggggrrrrr....still no joy. Suppose I will have to give up. :O(( ?? Merry

Spotted these on the 51, might lead you somewhere....maybe up the garden path? lol View Record C Hill abt 1843 Bilston, Staffordshire, England Daughter Bilston Staffordshire View Record Elizabeth Hill abt 1822 Bilston, Staffordshire, England Wife Bilston Staffordshire View Record J Hill abt 1845 Bilston, Staffordshire, England Daughter Bilston Staffordshire View Record Joseph Hill abt 1821 Bilston, Staffordshire, England Head Bilston Staffordshire View Record M Hill abt 1846 Bilston, Staffordshire, England Daughter Bilston Staffordshire View Record S Hill abt 1848 Bilston, Staffordshire, England Daughter Bilston Staffordshire View Record S Hill abt 1850 Bilston, Staffordshire, England Son Bilston Staffordshire Source information: HO107/2021 Registration district: Wolverhampton Sub-registration district: Bilston ED, institution, or vessel: 1d Folio: 72 Page: 11 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 40 GSU Number: 87425-87426

Sue, I am now searching Gozzard St in 1851!! Merry

That's interesting Sue!! I wonder???? It could really fit couldn't it??!!!!! That John would need to die for it to be the right family - poor little boy....sometimes I feel very cruel when I'm doing this :O(( Sue......Don't suppose you have Salop as well???????? Is it possible to look for a Thomas BEESON (age unknown, occ miner) wife Jane (would be rounded down to 20 from 23/24) and son James aged 1 or 2).......This family don't know where they were born!!!! Sometimes Salop and sometimes Wolverhampton!! Jane says Salop, it's the children who keep changing........so I don't know where they would be in 1841??? Merry

No, all your ideas are the right way to go.....If it was my tree I would buy the 1851ish birth cert for Samuel and take it from there.....the trouble is, this tree is not mine and I am helping the person get on their way....I thought it was going to be a simple thing to trace the family in 1851 just so he would know he was looking at the right father and siblings/half siblings etc (and maybe mother Fanny too)......then I would explain that he would need to comfirm details with a cert/certs and how to go about it...............Trouble is.....once I get the bit between my teeth, I can't let it go!! I am sure they are there somewhere.....If I had been looking for a single person I would have given up by now! Consolation.....I have put him on the paths for the rest of his tree - all lines to about 1800/1820 or so....to be confirmed, but I am hopeful they are right......just these ***** Hill's being the sticking point!! Ah well....might have another little look this afternoon. (can the kids cook their own tea?) Merry

Merry, Not found them yet? I have also tried All the HILL references in HO107/2021and drawn a blank. What about checking in Dudley (Worcestershire!) as it's just down the road. Also has anyone tried to locate them in 1841? It may provide another street to check. What about finding the birth cert for the child born 1851 - that would provide an address. Clutching at straws ..... Pete

I'm sure you are right, Mary! I have looked at every John living in Bilston or born in Bilston, regardless of surname....i have looked at every person with no name or only a partiial name transcribed.....i have looked at every baby Samuel living anywhere in Staffordshire, or born anywhere in Staffordshire........Gggrrrrrr I have 750 pages of census for my own tree and have only two or three occurances of not being able to trace someone on a particular census year. I must have done hundreds on lookus for people on this site and found all sorts of wonderful errors, but I CANNO'T FIND THIS FAMILY!!!!!!! Grrrrr I am very cross with these Hill's........!! It is pretty unusual for a whole large family to go astray :o(( As well as the four children who were old enough in 1861 to be on the 1851, plus the parents (though I accept Fanny could be a ''new'' wife and maybe John was away working)....there should also be another child, called John, aged 8 or 9 in 1851, who had moved out by 1861 to lodge with the family whose daughter he would marry shortly after the 1861 census. Why couldn't he have stayed with his parents until the wedding???? Then I wouldn't be tearing my hair out! Merry

Well, I found the district with Bristol Street in it on Ancestry (by tracing John Devey). Strangely enough, the major road in the district was named Hill Street!! I checked every household in the district for the combination of forenames, regardless of the surname, but no luck :O(( So, unless they belonged to one of the ''void houses'' in the district, they didn't live in Bristol Street in 1851. However, I did find the bride for one of the Hill sons living there, but they didn't marry for another 10 years!!...... Merry

Great minds think alike!!! I just looked there too!! Back to Ancestry I go.......................... Merry

Merry, On the historical directories website Slater's 1851 shows the following names in Bristol street Bilston Henry RILEY Mary POTTS John DEVEY Perhaps that will assist in locating Bristol St. Pete

Oh Pete, you are a star to go to that much trouble! Thanks for the street name correction. I will have a look for neighbours tracing back.....will have a look now......... I don't know why, but I just feel they are there somewhere Ggggrrrr!! Thanks again. Merry

Hi Merry, The street name in the 1861 census is Bristol St. Have a look on Ancestry at the previous page. I have the 1851 census for that area on CD and also have a copy of the BMSGH 1851 Surname and Folio index. Bilston is on HO107/2021 and there are nearly 40 HILL entries for that piece. So far I have check half of them (without success). Has anyone tried to located a neighbour from 1861 in the same location in 1851? I doubt that I'll make any progress tonight but may get a chance to chack again tomorrow Pete

Hi Ebeneza (!!) I have registration refs for most of the children (though with a name like Hill, I can't be certain they are the right ones!!), all in Wolverhampton District. Certainly all the family members I have found moving forward in time have stuck with Bilston as birth place, but they are in stationary occupations!! Fanny said Dawley every time (and dob 1814) for the next three censuses, but obviously I can't say if she was married to John in 1851!! :o(( Merry

Hi Merry Does your friend have the birth reg refs for the children born in the 1840s, or some baptisms? Either they are in Bilston, and a frame - by - frame search would bring them to light or, and you don't want to hear this, they'e been economical with the truth when it comes to birthplace. Bricklayers tended to move about a bit and they often took the family with them. Do the birthplaces tally with any later censuses?

Nudge for early evening people!! I have continued to look for this family on Ancestry to no avail.......please help!! I may need a straight-jacket soon :o(( Merry

Hi William, Thanks for the offer, but I don't think I will need them! This is a little bit of someone elses tree I am helping with.... (well, I thought I was helping!!) Merry x

It's not what you're after...but I noticed the surname Hill...I've saved 1837online's death registration for Hill's (Charles through William) from 1873 through 1877. If you'd like the images then please pm me your email address and I'll send them on. They total 4Mb. Regards, William

Am supposed to be roasting a chicken at the mo.....but will be back when it's been eaten! Merry

This is the family in 1861: John Hill abt 1816 Bilston, Staffordshire, England Head Bilston Staffordshire Fanny Hill abt 1814 Daley, Shropshire, England Wife Bilston Staffordshire James Hill abt 1839 Bilston, Staffordshire, England Son Bilston Staffordshire Mary Hill abt 1841 Bilston, Staffordshire, England Daughter Bilston Staffordshire Henry Hill abt 1846 Bilston, Staffordshire, England Son Bilston Staffordshire Samuel Hill abt 1851 Bilston, Staffordshire, England Son Bilston Staffordshire Thomas Hill abt 1853 Bilston, Staffordshire, England Son Bilston Staffordshire William Hill abt 1857 Bilston, Staffordshire, England Son Bilston Staffordshire The head is a bricklayer and they are living at what looks like Brish Street, Bilston, Wolverhampton. As you see, all the children seem to have been born in Bilston, so I would have expexted them to be living in the area in 1851 too. Can anyone help me, please???? Happy Hunting Merry x