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I know I have asked for help before re my Great Grandfather Henry Marsh but after much searching have not made any progress. So I have decided to concentrate on his death which would have been between 1882 and 1885 and he would have been around 30 (as according to his marriage cert of 1872 he states that he is aged 20). There are only about 8 deaths listed on Free BMD and I already have 3 wrong ones. He is not with his family on the 1881 census and they are all living in Sutton-in-Ashfield Notts and his wife is not shown as a widow. She remarried in 1885 and then she states she is a widow. Other known details are : Father called William occupation shoemaker. Wife called Eliza maiden name Brown from Leicester. Four children Walter, Elizabeth, Allen, Lizzie - last one born in 1882. Would guess that he probably died in Notts as that is where his family was in 1881 so just wondered if there was a record of just deaths in Notts rather than a National register. Any ideas would be appreciated.

Hi Jean, I found this on ancestry. Name: Marsh, Henry Record Type: Deaths Age at death: 39 Quarter: September Year: 1883 District: East Retford County: Nottinghamshire Volume: 7b Page: 7 Gloria

Could this possibly be him in 1881 with his mother? View Record Hannah Marsh abt 1810 East Drayton, Nottinghamshire, England Mother Marnham, Nottinghamshire, England ***** View Record Henry Marsh abt 1844 Marnham, Nottinghamshire, England Son (Head) Marnham, Nottinghamshire, England Gloria

The mother??? 1861, if the other census was right. View Record Eliza Machin abt 1831 Laugriffe, Lincolnshire, England Daughter Marnham Nottinghamshire View Record Elizabeth Marsh abt 1848 Marnham, Nottinghamshire, England Daughter Marnham Nottinghamshire ****View Record Hannah Marsh abt 1811 Hockerton, Nottinghamshire, England Wife Marnham Nottinghamshire View Record Hannah Marsh abt 1850 Marnham, Nottinghamshire, England Daughter Marnham Nottinghamshire View Record William Marsh abt 1798 Hockerton, Nottinghamshire, England Head Marnham Nottinghamshire Gloria

1851, with both parents View Record Elizabeth Machin abt 1848 Marnham, Nottinghamshire, England Daughter Marnham Nottinghamshire View Record Emma Machin abt 1841 Marnham, Nottinghamshire, England Daughter Marnham Nottinghamshire View Record Hannah Machin abt 1850 Marnham, Nottinghamshire, England Daughter Marnham Nottinghamshire *****View Record Henry Machin abt 1843 Marnham, Nottinghamshire, England Son Marnham Nottinghamshire View Record James Machin abt 1844 Marnham, Nottinghamshire, England Son Marnham Nottinghamshire View Record Thomas Machin abt 1831 Marnham, Nottinghamshire, England Son-in-law Marnham Nottinghamshire View Record Hannah Marsh abt 1810 East Drayton, Nottinghamshire, England Wife Marnham Nottinghamshire View Record William Marsh abt 1799 Newark, Nottinghamshire, England Head Marnham Nottinghamshire Hope all these are the right ones, will leave it for now to hear from you and make sure we are on the right track. Gloria

Couldn't resist one more, the same Henry in 1861 as a servant. I SO do hope these are the right ones. View Record Jane E Gravenor abt 1845 Fledborough, Nottinghamshire, England Daughter Fledborough Nottinghamshire View Record Thomas Gravenor abt 1810 Fledborough, Nottinghamshire, England Head Fledborough Nottinghamshire View Record James Hamond abt 1837 Willingore, Lincolnshire, England Servant Fledborough Nottinghamshire *****View Record Henry Marsh abt 1843 Marnham, Nottinghamshire, England Servant Fledborough Nottinghamshire View Record William Shepard abt 1840 Carlton on Trent, Nottinghamshire, England Servant Fledborough Nottinghamshire View Record Eliza Whatelee abt 1838 Rucesall, Nottinghamshire, England Servant Fledborough Nottinghamshire View Record Mary Woncuse abt 1847 Bormanton, Nottinghamshire, England Servant Fledborough Nottinghamshire Gloria

Hi Gloria Thanks for all that info. I do have that death cert and unfortunately it is not the right one. (Although it is the only one I found in Notts after looking through Free BMD and 1837). The other two certs I have are West Brom and Chorlton. Unfortunately I have no info on Henry's mother as I have never been able to prove I have the right birth cert - there are at least 50 Henrys born around 1850. I have quite a collection of wrong ones so I will check them for a Machim. By the way Henry's wife was Eliza Brown and not his mother - just in case I didn't make myself clear. I will get back to you tomorrow as I am writing this from work.

From the censuses I have found I have Henry's mother as Hannah, married to William. In both 1851 and 1861 William is an ag labourer which is a bit different to a shoemaker. In 1851 it is transcribed a bit wrongly, the only Machin is Thomas the rest are Marsh. I suppose we are living in hopes, but the father and sons names are the same, but again they are both common names so they could really be anybody. Sorry couldn't be of more help, but if any of this rings true then I will try to find out more. Good luck Gloria

Hi Gloria I checked all the info I had at home and unfortunately nothing ties in with all the info you gave me. I certainly think the one on the 1881 with mother Hannah is not him as it states that he is single and a farm labourer It is very difficult as the only real info I have is on his marriage cert of 1872 when he states he is aged 20 and his occupation is a miner and his father is William a shoemaker. I have never been able to find him on the 1881 or the 1871 census so don't know where he was born. I have done lots of different searches on the 1861 census but never found anything definite. Anyway thank you very much for your time and I will just have to keep on looking. Jean

Sorry I couldn't help you Jean, perhaps someone else reading this might have better luck. Gloria

Can't see any mention of Sutton in Ashfield in the Nottinghamshire section of the National Burial Index on Family History Online. It might help if we could find him in 1881. I suppose his burial might be listed in the Sutton-in-Ashfield parish register, but I suspect it is a pretty big one and might take ages to search through all those years. Could be wrong, though. Also, you could try to see if he left a will, can't remember what you said his occupation was till I have posted this so I don't know how likely it is! Kate.

Oh, just read your message at the top again. Do you actually have Lizzie's birth certificate naming Henry as the father? Is it possible that Henry and his wife had already split up before 1881 and that Lizzie, and possibly some of the others, weren't Henry's? Could he have died in 1881 even if he was Lizzie's father? got to go and fetch kids from school now. Kate.

Hi Kate Yes Henry is stated as Lizzies father on birth cert and on her death cert - she died in 1883. On 1881 census Henry's wife is not shown as a widow. His occupation was either miner or shoemaker (the same as his father). I doubt very much if there was a will as I get the feeling that the family was not very well off. Also his wife Eliza Marsh was living with her mother Elizabeth Allen in 1881 in Sutton and three children all of whom have Henry as there father on their birth certs. Any further ideas would be gladly received. Jean

I have a feeling that if Henry is stated as Lizzie's father on her death cert 1883 and it doesn't say deceased for him on there, he must have died after her. I will have a look at Sutton in Ashfield parish records next time I go to Notts Record Office and see if I come up with anything. Kate.

I have had a look through Sutton in Ashfield parish register, and I was right - it is massive. Each numbered box for burial entries contains 3 or even 4 names! Anyway, I had a look through burials from 1881 to 1885 and didn't spot him, but I suppose it's possible I missed him among so many names. I did see Lizzie's burial entry, and I also had a look at her baptism Sep 1882, which gives her parents' names as Henry and Eliza Marsh, and doesn't say anything about Henry being deceased or not living in the parish or anything like that. I also had a look at the 1881 census of Sutton-in-Ashfield using the Notts Family History Society name index and didn't find him. So I guess he wasn't in Sutton that night. Could he possibly have gone away from Sutton for a while to work at some other mine? I didn't get round to looking at the NFHS name index to the 1871 census for some reason, think my brain had been numbed by all those pages of burials! I had a look at the National Probate Calendar for 1882 to 1886 and he wasn't in there. Sorry I couldn't find anything to help. Kate.

Hi Kate Thanks very much for doing so much research for me in Sutton's Parish Records - it is a shame you were not able to find anything. I have lots of red herrings for Henry Marsh but nothing definite. I do have a death cert for a Henry who died in Dec 1884 at Withington Workhouse in Chorlton, Lancs aged 33, but there are no relatives mentioned on the death cert so I can't prove it is him. He seems to be the only possible one but why is he in the workhouse in Lancs and the rest of his family is in Notts? Sorry I have not replied before but I have been away for a few days. Thanks again for your time and effort. Jean