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I have found that my G/G/Grandfather William WYNNE b.abt 1814 was a Surgeon in London. In April 1844 he and his wife Sarah CARDINAL were living at Sylvan Grove, Old Kent Road, London. Sarah died in 1849 when they were residing at 5 Crown Place, Old Kent Road, London. William married again to Mary Ann SHARP in 1851 London. He died in 1862 at Loose, Maidstone, Kent. On the death certificate was: 'Signature, description and residence of informant - Charlotte GAMMON, Loose.' Possibly he was boarding there as he had a drinking problem - the cause of his death - and possibly his second marriage had broken up. I'm hoping that someone may find him on one or more of the census records, and any other information that may apply. He did have children but I have only found one (Kate) who was residing with an Aunt & Uncle. Other children were Emily, Cardinal & Watkin. Thanks for any help, Fran Wynne Have just found that Watkin Wynne who came to Australia wasn't our Watkin. If anyone can locate him for me it would be appreciated. He was born 1846, Rotherhithe, Surrey.

This is Charlotte Gammon in 1861 living on 'Loose Hill ', Loose I was hoping Wm Wynne might be a neighbour Can't see him yet (looking) Charlotte Gammon abt 1800 Loose, Kent, England Wife Loose Kent John Gammon abt 1797 Linton, Kent, England Head Loose Kent (Carpenter) Paul

nope.........can't see him paul

Is this the right Watkin (1881 census) Watkin Wynne Age in 1881: 31 Estimated birth year: abt 1850 Soldier Where born: Paddington Address: 'St Georges Barracks' Trafalgar Square St Martin In The Fields London Condition as to marriage: Unknown Occupation: Private 66th Regiment Source information: RG11/0332 Sub-registration district: St Martin In The Fields ED, institution, or vessel: St Georges Barracks Folio: 82 Page: 10

1861 for reference this must be Kate ? Eliza Braybrook abt 1845 London, Middlesex, England Servant Islington Middlesex Kezia Cardinal abt 1813 London, Middlesex, England Wife Islington Middlesex William S Cardinal abt 1815 London, Middlesex, England Head Islington Middlesex Fanny Reid abt 1828 Huntingdonshire, England Servant Islington Middlesex ## Kate Wynne abt 1844 Camberwell, Surrey, England Niece Islington Middlesex Paul

1851 Watkin Wynn abt 1846 Camberwell, Surrey, England Pauper Camberwell Surrey Camberwell Workhouse !!! Possibly not right Watkin.Would have thought his father had been a wealthy man at one time. Did he drink it all away! Paul

Christine, Thank you for your help, but nothing matches up. Cheers, Fran

Paul, I think you are on the right track. Yes that is Kate, Williams daugter, residing with her mum's brother. Since I posted the message I have also found that he must have lived in Charlton Kent with his second wife Mary Ann as their daughter Annie Mary Wynne was born there. The Watkin you found is probably his son as he was born in 1846. I cannot find my G/Grandfather Cardinal b.1844 anywhere though. Cardinal came to Australia in 1866 and Watkin may have been with him because he ended up in Australia too. As far as William goes, yes I think he once was a wealthy man but the drinking probably got worse after the death of his first wife Sarah. Who would know. Unfortunately, the alcoholic gene has been passed down to a few descendants in Australia. Thankfully only a few. I really appreciate your help on this. Would be very grateful if you could find any more details. Maybe he was at Loose on a drinking binge when he died, but lived in Charlton. Cheers, Fran

Paul, ??Camberwell Workhouse?? Do you know what this is? We do have some knowledge that William did work at the Almshouses. I believe this to be a hospital for the poor. Cheers, Fran

Workhouses were institutions set up to house the homeless and poor, they were'nt very pleasant places to live in by all accounts. Google 'Camberwell Workhouse' You'll find lots to read there Paul

Thanks so much Paul, If you do happen to find anything else, you may send me a personal message if you like. Cheers, Fran

I found these Wynns in Charlton in 1861 Are they rellies ? Elizabeth Wynn abt 1801 Greenwich, Kent, England Wife Charlton Kent Thomas Wynn abt 1801 Greenwich, Kent, England Head Charlton Kent Steam Boiler Maker Thomas Wynn abt 1846 Greenwich, Kent, England Son Charlton Kent Labourer Address 2 Charlotte Street, Charlton Place of birth for all says Greenwich, Kent I think that's Greenwich, London Paul

No Paul, not that I am aware. We think that William may have had a brother George Thomas Wynne b. about 1817. My Aunt gave me details that William's parents were also William & Sarah (nee Luck). Her details came from a cousin of hers who supplied IGI numbers, so hopefully they are the correct details. However, I have found a descendant of Kate's who thinks that William's parents were Peter Wynne & Mary Ann (Unknown). Stationers. He has yet to get back to me re confirmation. He did say that he had confirmed some details of what he had found but not all. The above may help a little more but the further back we go, the harder it is. Cheers, Fran

2 St Thomas's Terrace , Camberwell 1851 Mary A Wynne abt 1789 Boro, Surrey, England Wife Camberwell Surrey Peter Wynne abt 1782 St George, Middlesex, England Head Camberwell Surrey Peter is a retired stationer, no other family with them

Nudge Have added a little more info to end of message.

1851 for Watkin? Watkin Wynn abt 1846 Camberwell, Surrey, England Pauper Camberwell Surrey in Camberwell Workhouse, no other family with him

Thank you OziBird & Christine, I do have all that information thank you. I am hoping to find what happened to Watkin Wynne after the 1851 census. Will keep trying............ Cheers, Fran